I bought KK's car(long story...)
04-15-2016, 01:37 PM
#121
That could actually work against him as it would also show that there are well known and accepted options to mitigate the issue. It is also easy to show that KK (with no proof of formal training or experience in the pertinent fields) felt he knew better than everyone else and was going to do something else.
It can also then be shown that the bearing manufacture said it was an inappropriate application and we now know that the only other person that tried this bearing sent him a warning about the bearing failing.
Finally we also know he sold the car as having it's IMSB replaced, included the receipt for the Pelican bearing which he only used the mounting hardware from, and did not disclose his experimental use of a non-accepted bearing.
Our thoughts on him are indeed irrelevant, that doesn't change that he publicly documented this fiasco.
As I've already said, while I would love to see KK get ruined to the point where he can't afford Internet access ever again, I'm not a proponent of a lawsuit over this. I think it can be shown he misrepresented the state of the car in a manner that the buyer could not reasonably verify, but I think the cost and headaches of a lawsuit on top of what he has already gone through just aren't worth it. At least it's not to me.
There is your problem and why you should have done some research before posting on the subject. He has a long and antagonistic reputation. He has also (as shown in links provided in this thread so you don't even have to search) documented his culpability in this matter. The guy is an egotistical *** that believes his own hype that he is somehow the greatest m96 mechanic in the world.
It can also then be shown that the bearing manufacture said it was an inappropriate application and we now know that the only other person that tried this bearing sent him a warning about the bearing failing.
Finally we also know he sold the car as having it's IMSB replaced, included the receipt for the Pelican bearing which he only used the mounting hardware from, and did not disclose his experimental use of a non-accepted bearing.
Our thoughts on him are indeed irrelevant, that doesn't change that he publicly documented this fiasco.
As I've already said, while I would love to see KK get ruined to the point where he can't afford Internet access ever again, I'm not a proponent of a lawsuit over this. I think it can be shown he misrepresented the state of the car in a manner that the buyer could not reasonably verify, but I think the cost and headaches of a lawsuit on top of what he has already gone through just aren't worth it. At least it's not to me.
There is your problem and why you should have done some research before posting on the subject. He has a long and antagonistic reputation. He has also (as shown in links provided in this thread so you don't even have to search) documented his culpability in this matter. The guy is an egotistical *** that believes his own hype that he is somehow the greatest m96 mechanic in the world.
Not really worth responding as the result would be an off-topic argument, but your counterpoints are weak and easy to refute or deem non-contributory to the case, when viewed from a NON-emotional, uninvolved perspective.
However, I wish the buyer nothing but good luck, and hopefully, KK will do the gallant thing and work out some kind of resolution.
04-15-2016, 02:07 PM
#122
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As posted prior to this thread becoming a mini-novel, KK would be deemed in a much better light had he not come to the RL forum and display his stupidity by mouthing off about his cars engine failure.
The bottom line is KK did a sub-par repair on his engine and it wasn't disclosed to buyer - nothing more/nothing less. He has avoided the buyer at a time when buyer could use support and information related to the sale - KK is a failure.
Considering the IMS is such a topic of discussion and concern to almost every 996 owner and buyer, every 996 owner has due diligence in being forthright about the condition of their IMS bearing if they have knowledge.
Any RL member selling their car should be upfront about all aspects including anything related to the IMS bearing in their car.
I've sold 2 C4S's and 2 996 narrow bodies on RL over the past 7 years - Every ad I wrote clearly indicates whether IMS was replaced, what type of bearing was used, when it was replaced and what shop did the work. Including any other issues related to mechanical or aesthetic wear that I am aware of.
KK was a big disappointment to me as an RL member - I used to vouch for him at times when he dug holes in other threads. I gave him support at times.
I know others had more involved issues with him on mechanically related threads and since I used a Porsche shop for any and all work done to my car I don't contribute much to these threads and appreciate help when needed.
The bottom line is a lesson should be learned - Be upfront and disclose any and all info on your car when selling - Even better, make sure the IMS bearing has been replaced professionally or at least by competent sources.
What KK has done here has cast even more bad light on a Porsche model that is a hell of a lot of fun to own.
The bottom line is KK did a sub-par repair on his engine and it wasn't disclosed to buyer - nothing more/nothing less. He has avoided the buyer at a time when buyer could use support and information related to the sale - KK is a failure.
Considering the IMS is such a topic of discussion and concern to almost every 996 owner and buyer, every 996 owner has due diligence in being forthright about the condition of their IMS bearing if they have knowledge.
Any RL member selling their car should be upfront about all aspects including anything related to the IMS bearing in their car.
I've sold 2 C4S's and 2 996 narrow bodies on RL over the past 7 years - Every ad I wrote clearly indicates whether IMS was replaced, what type of bearing was used, when it was replaced and what shop did the work. Including any other issues related to mechanical or aesthetic wear that I am aware of.
KK was a big disappointment to me as an RL member - I used to vouch for him at times when he dug holes in other threads. I gave him support at times.
I know others had more involved issues with him on mechanically related threads and since I used a Porsche shop for any and all work done to my car I don't contribute much to these threads and appreciate help when needed.
The bottom line is a lesson should be learned - Be upfront and disclose any and all info on your car when selling - Even better, make sure the IMS bearing has been replaced professionally or at least by competent sources.
What KK has done here has cast even more bad light on a Porsche model that is a hell of a lot of fun to own.
04-15-2016, 03:04 PM
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04-15-2016, 03:06 PM
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04-15-2016, 03:21 PM
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but for others that blind bolt can be removed by taking out the thermostat on the bank 2 intake runner...be careful of the rubber grommet falling out because once it gone it IS gone. The hole left is an access hole to the blind bolt.
but for others that blind bolt can be removed by taking out the thermostat on the bank 2 intake runner...be careful of the rubber grommet falling out because once it gone it IS gone. The hole left is an access hole to the blind bolt.
04-15-2016, 03:50 PM
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I'm going to have a good look to see where this thermostat is. Haven't touched my project since last July.
04-15-2016, 04:45 PM
#128
As posted prior to this thread becoming a mini-novel, KK would be deemed in a much better light had he not come to the RL forum and display his stupidity by mouthing off about his cars engine failure.
The bottom line is KK did a sub-par repair on his engine and it wasn't disclosed to buyer - nothing more/nothing less.
Considering the IMS is such a topic of discussion and concern to almost every 996 owner and buyer, every 996 owner has due diligence in being forthright about the condition of their IMS bearing if they have knowledge.
Any RL member selling their car should be upfront about all aspects including anything related to the IMS bearing in their car.
I've sold 2 C4S's and 2 996 narrow bodies on RL over the past 7 years - Every ad I wrote clearly indicates whether IMS was replaced, what type of bearing was used, when it was replaced and what shop did the work. Including any other issues related to mechanical or aesthetic wear that I am aware of.
The bottom line is a lesson should be learned - Be upfront and disclose any and all info on your car when selling - Even better, make sure the IMS bearing has been replaced professionally or at least by competent sources.
The bottom line is KK did a sub-par repair on his engine and it wasn't disclosed to buyer - nothing more/nothing less.
Considering the IMS is such a topic of discussion and concern to almost every 996 owner and buyer, every 996 owner has due diligence in being forthright about the condition of their IMS bearing if they have knowledge.
Any RL member selling their car should be upfront about all aspects including anything related to the IMS bearing in their car.
I've sold 2 C4S's and 2 996 narrow bodies on RL over the past 7 years - Every ad I wrote clearly indicates whether IMS was replaced, what type of bearing was used, when it was replaced and what shop did the work. Including any other issues related to mechanical or aesthetic wear that I am aware of.
The bottom line is a lesson should be learned - Be upfront and disclose any and all info on your car when selling - Even better, make sure the IMS bearing has been replaced professionally or at least by competent sources.
but, but , but.... the car WAS driven 7000 miles after purchase from KK -- which would truly make the case defensible. (I believe the buyer said it was 7K miles that he owned it.)
I'd ventuire to say that none of you who find this a problem, have, yourselves, sold a car and personally guaranteed it for even 5000 miles (if I am correct in saying that the buyer owned the car for 7K miles before catastrophe).
Now, if engine failure happened within 500 or maybe even 1000 miles, it MIGHT be something different, and it MIGHT be something different if the car were a run-f-the mill minivan (and not a high perf car), and if it were from a dealer (maybe).
Come on... if you haven't sold a car to which something unfortunate and unpredictable happened within a short amount of time after the sale, then you haven't sold over 20 cars, and your self-righteous vindication is due.
Cars break, and disclosing who, what, why, where ANY repairs were done to a used 10 year old car is an insurmountable and unanswerable task. Only when a particular component breaks does the microscope get focused and the unending analysis and dissection of the blame begin.
But truly, I think the buyer has been quite gentlemanly when he posted this thread, but we respondents have been like the daily media, eager to leap upon the popularly unpopular subject, and thrash him.
Reminds me of the daily thrashing that Trump gets when someone in his campaign farts.
No, I am not a Trump fan, but I do recognize hypocrisy and sharks-on-blood behavior when the target is an unpopular person.
04-15-2016, 05:41 PM
#129
but we respondents have been like the daily media, eager to leap upon the popularly unpopular subject, and thrash him.
Reminds me of the daily thrashing that Trump gets when someone in his campaign farts.
No, I am not a Trump fan, but I do recognize hypocrisy and sharks-on-blood behavior when the target is an unpopular person.
Reminds me of the daily thrashing that Trump gets when someone in his campaign farts.
No, I am not a Trump fan, but I do recognize hypocrisy and sharks-on-blood behavior when the target is an unpopular person.
There is no direct connection (that has come to light) about Trump directing his supporters & staff to do the things that media gets upset over (I personally thinks he supports it and I wouldn't be surprised to find out he has explicitly given such directions, but nothing is provable at this time).
KK, on the other hand, documented what he did (using an unproven bearing) in a public forum.
This isn't something we are trying to pin on him just because we don't like him. We actually know what he did because he went out in public and broadcast it. At best he is just another low life used car seller that didn't disclose known items pertinent to the transaction that couldn't realistically be discovered by reasonable due diligence of the buyer.
In my opinion, the only difference between what KK did compared to someone that slaps a new bearing in an already failing engine is that I don't think he did it out of malice or an intent to pull one over on the buyer. He was honestly interested in trying something new and I applaud him for that, but given how critical of an issue the IMSB is in the sale of these cars and that he stated the bearing had been replaced, he absolutely should have disclosed the nature of it's replacement.
You keep going on about warranties, but we aren't talking about some random part on an old car that decided to let go. This is more akin to buying a car where they say they just replaced the brakes (and you look and see that it indeed has new rotors and pads). Then sometime well within their expected lifespan you get in an accident because the brakes failed. Under investigation it's found that even though they gave you a receipt for acceptable components, it turns out that those aren't the parts on the vehicle and the ones there are not appropriate for the vehicle. Then when you start looking into it you find out that they proudly talked about installing these brakes as an experiment and even worse you find that they were warned both about its inappropriateness and then later failure in another case. You can bet your *** in such a scenario your insurance company would have a field day going after the person(s) that sold you that car.
You've already said you don't know the history here. I would suggest that you stop trying to defend KK until you've gone through both his general history and the history specific to this case.
04-15-2016, 05:55 PM
#130
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A year and a half and 7K miles went by - I don't think OP expects to collect anything from KK. He didn't do anything worse than the people who dump their cars at CarMax do - and some of the people here think dumping a time bomb on another buyer by way of CarMax is completely OK.
Should karma have its way with KK? Yes. Omitting the details is lame; not passing the info that Imo provided along to the buyer and potentially preventing the failure is inexcusable.
Should karma have its way with KK? Yes. Omitting the details is lame; not passing the info that Imo provided along to the buyer and potentially preventing the failure is inexcusable.
04-15-2016, 07:16 PM
#133
OK, you don't want to let it go, but want to take it to a painful level.
No problem.
There you go -- exactly right, even in the KK case. "Nothing is provable at this time". Meaning that there is no case. You can only make the unfair connection that Mr KK, an unpopular RL character by High School clique definition, MUST have intentionally screwed up his car and then hustled someone -- despite having receipts and notes that he had fixed its problems.
It won't work, and that is my point all along.
Keerist, from everything in the IMSB literature that is evidence-based, there is no such thing as an IMSB replacement that is "proven" not to fail.
Are you somehow the single undiscovered expert on IMSBs who has found the ONE AND ONLY IMSB that never fails?? What? You mean there is one that is totally guaranteed?
No, they are ALL still experimental until Porsche comes out with one that they recommend!
...and don't go emotionally quoting your latest survey showing that "my party is right"!
Show me an ironclad guarantee from ANY of them that tells me that they have the ***** to believe that they have God on their side; THEN I will believe it.
Not even Porsche will give you that for their bearing.
I think you made my case for me there. He did not do this out of malice, but instead he genuinely thought he had a reasonable alternative to the IMSB solution.
AND, HE FOUND IT, as far as he was concerned.
What, was he supposed to drive it 100,000 miles to prove it to you??
Nah. Over 1 year and 7K miles, in a court of law, would easily bring up the likelihood of OTHER circumstances causing the disaster.
You would have to prove it otherwise -- which you cannot do. And, as I previously stated, the jury would immediately suspect that anyone who drives a Porsche would not be driving it like Mom drives her soccer van. They would assume that a Porsche driver would be a wild driver -- not a careful, low-rpm, tottering and careful driver. The sports car stigma is unavoidable.
Oh?? And WHAT ARE "the parts" for the IMSB THAT PORSCHE COMPANY RECOMMENDS??
Replacement with their own stock bearing is well documented to fail!
There is no such thing as an "approved replacement part" for the IMSB. Not even the P-Factory will give you that.
No, you can bet your *** that the insurance company would NOT even bother going after someone in a situation like this. Instead, they would refuse your claim. Since when does an insurance company cover mechanical failure?
I want to buy insurance from them!
I'd suggest you either take on the buyer's litigious case or shut up and sit down. You will unnecessarily rile him up with the hope that he can win, when the preponderance of reasonable doubt is against him.
Again, I am certain that the buyer did not intend any of the 7+ pages of controversy that his initial post generated.
No problem.
There is no direct connection (that has come to light) about Trump directing his supporters & staff to do the things that media gets upset over (I personally thinks he supports it and I wouldn't be surprised to find out he has explicitly given such directions, but nothing is provable at this time).
It won't work, and that is my point all along.
Are you somehow the single undiscovered expert on IMSBs who has found the ONE AND ONLY IMSB that never fails?? What? You mean there is one that is totally guaranteed?
No, they are ALL still experimental until Porsche comes out with one that they recommend!
...and don't go emotionally quoting your latest survey showing that "my party is right"!
Show me an ironclad guarantee from ANY of them that tells me that they have the ***** to believe that they have God on their side; THEN I will believe it.
Not even Porsche will give you that for their bearing.
This isn't something we are trying to pin on him just because we don't like him. We actually know what he did because he went out in public and broadcast it.
In my opinion, the only difference between what KK did compared to someone that slaps a new bearing in an already failing engine is that I don't think he did it out of malice or an intent to pull one over on the buyer. He was honestly interested in trying something new and I applaud him for that, but given how critical of an issue the IMSB is in the sale of these cars and that he stated the bearing had been replaced, he absolutely should have disclosed the nature of it's replacement.
In my opinion, the only difference between what KK did compared to someone that slaps a new bearing in an already failing engine is that I don't think he did it out of malice or an intent to pull one over on the buyer. He was honestly interested in trying something new and I applaud him for that, but given how critical of an issue the IMSB is in the sale of these cars and that he stated the bearing had been replaced, he absolutely should have disclosed the nature of it's replacement.
AND, HE FOUND IT, as far as he was concerned.
What, was he supposed to drive it 100,000 miles to prove it to you??
Nah. Over 1 year and 7K miles, in a court of law, would easily bring up the likelihood of OTHER circumstances causing the disaster.
You would have to prove it otherwise -- which you cannot do. And, as I previously stated, the jury would immediately suspect that anyone who drives a Porsche would not be driving it like Mom drives her soccer van. They would assume that a Porsche driver would be a wild driver -- not a careful, low-rpm, tottering and careful driver. The sports car stigma is unavoidable.
You keep going on about warranties, but we aren't talking about some random part on an old car that decided to let go. This is more akin to buying a car where they say they just replaced the brakes (and you look and see that it indeed has new rotors and pads). Then sometime well within their expected lifespan you get in an accident because the brakes failed. Under investigation it's found that even though they gave you a receipt for acceptable components, it turns out that those aren't the parts on the vehicle and the ones there are not appropriate for the vehicle.
Replacement with their own stock bearing is well documented to fail!
There is no such thing as an "approved replacement part" for the IMSB. Not even the P-Factory will give you that.
I want to buy insurance from them!
Again, I am certain that the buyer did not intend any of the 7+ pages of controversy that his initial post generated.
04-15-2016, 07:31 PM
#134
Drifting
Practical lessons from failed IMSB replacement.
Thank you IMRE or IMO for your explanation of the failure of the BOCA bearing that you correctly fitted to your car:
"So to sum it up, I don't know what really happens but the overheated oil probably didn't help. I was very dissapointed that this experiment didn't work the way I was hoping it would but now it's time to try something different. In all fairness the specs on this bearing looked better than the one it replaced but clearly it didn't last in my case. Maybe the next one will fair better. "
See post #118 for full text.
Clearly there is more to achieving a successful IMSB change than just specifications and good Installation.
I am trying to help others who research this issue in future and try to learn from the sad experience of helpful contributors like IMRE and victims of failed IMAB replacements like me.
The one thing I have learned is that buying a car with a recently replaced IMSB is very risky. As others have suggested - buy a 'virgin' car or one where the replacement meets current best practice. And if you buy a replacement used engine ,the same idea applies. Anything else is as IMRE says - an experiment. In my case the rebuild was well over $7000 !
"So to sum it up, I don't know what really happens but the overheated oil probably didn't help. I was very dissapointed that this experiment didn't work the way I was hoping it would but now it's time to try something different. In all fairness the specs on this bearing looked better than the one it replaced but clearly it didn't last in my case. Maybe the next one will fair better. "
See post #118 for full text.
Clearly there is more to achieving a successful IMSB change than just specifications and good Installation.
I am trying to help others who research this issue in future and try to learn from the sad experience of helpful contributors like IMRE and victims of failed IMAB replacements like me.
The one thing I have learned is that buying a car with a recently replaced IMSB is very risky. As others have suggested - buy a 'virgin' car or one where the replacement meets current best practice. And if you buy a replacement used engine ,the same idea applies. Anything else is as IMRE says - an experiment. In my case the rebuild was well over $7000 !
04-15-2016, 07:33 PM
#135
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Yep