#$@! Blew my engine today #&*#@!
#121
Race Director
Thread Starter
Thanks for the additional info, Macster!
Jake... that pic of yours sure does look familiar! Nearly identical to mine.
I'll shoot you an email, and also some info. regarding the 914.
Jake... that pic of yours sure does look familiar! Nearly identical to mine.
I'll shoot you an email, and also some info. regarding the 914.
#124
Sorry to hear about your engine, a rebuild under these conditions is always hard to swallow.
I'm new to the 996 forum. Appreciate the post so others can take away from the experience. After reading I'm interested to see the consensus elsewhere on timing pad/wear guides change intervals. I believe I've seen 50K miles, not sure, maybe it was 100.
In any case hope something positive happens for you. Everything happens for a reason.
I'm new to the 996 forum. Appreciate the post so others can take away from the experience. After reading I'm interested to see the consensus elsewhere on timing pad/wear guides change intervals. I believe I've seen 50K miles, not sure, maybe it was 100.
In any case hope something positive happens for you. Everything happens for a reason.
#125
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Since you're in SoCal you should check out this thread (no affiliation): https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...ld-review.html
If you can squeak out with a rebuild for under $8k it seems like that would be the better option vs. spending more for a newer/better car. With the rebuild you'll have a fully sorted car that's upgraded exactly the way you want it; and should be good for another 100k miles.
Also to save on towing costs you should definitely sign up with AAA (if you don't have it already). Your yearly membership cost (aroound $85/yr) will be recouped with 1 tow (you get 4 per year).
If you can squeak out with a rebuild for under $8k it seems like that would be the better option vs. spending more for a newer/better car. With the rebuild you'll have a fully sorted car that's upgraded exactly the way you want it; and should be good for another 100k miles.
Also to save on towing costs you should definitely sign up with AAA (if you don't have it already). Your yearly membership cost (aroound $85/yr) will be recouped with 1 tow (you get 4 per year).
#126
Nordschleife Master
Jake I think a second edition called the "MISSING 24" would be a great source of info and really appreciated to the majority of real enthusiasts. There will always be those who just deal with emotions that will hate it but so what. The losers are the folks you wrote all the info for in the first place and the garbage can just doesn't seem right to me. I realize its your decision and its your right to make it but I just wanted to throw my two cents in anyway.
Also would like to know Jake's thoughts on the new engine. Is the new engine something that a long term owner/buyer should take a chance on and will it not have similar issues as the m96/m97 engines. I am not talking lease or a pampering owner. Someone that DD the car under all weather conditions including winter.
#129
Former Vendor
Pete speaks from experience… X2!
Cuda 911, I am replying to your email now. Yes, your "outie" is a fairly common issue these days. I have sent his one occur from different primary modes of failure; because any debris that gets caught between the chain/ drive and the case can cause this. Based on my experience you have not had an issue with the chain it's self, but rather something that the chain picked up. If you look closely you'll see that the chain appears to be taut and properly seated against the drive, that would not be the case if the chain actually failed. Also, that chain is 1" wide, if the chain would have failed the damage to the case would typically be much wider, and cover the entire width of the chain. These chains do wear, and they do stretch, but to date we have not seen the internal tooth type chain snap in half. See the pic below for a good illustration of a normally worn chain, and an abnormally worn chain that had stretched almost 5/16". The deflection between the two really tells the story.
Considering where you are, the good news is we won't need the whole car. My co- instructor in my Porsche engine classes is Tony Callas, of Callas Rennsport. His shop is in Socal and he's the only other person I trust to install one of my engines. We've had great luck having Callas extract the engine, and ship it to us, then we do our work and ship it back to them, they re- install and evaluate the vehicle. We ship cars across the US all the time, but this method has proven to be more cost effective and simpler for those in California. Its also proven to protect my reputation, because the Callas crew is just as detail oriented as we are.
FWIW- It is 100% IMPOSSIBLE to "rebuild" one of these engines thoroughly for 8k! The term "rebuild" is used very loosely, and thats why we refuse to use the term. To go through one of these engines properly, from cradle to grave, addressing all the factory deficiencies costs 14-16K IN PARTS & PROCESSES ONLY.
BTW- The 914 looks solid!
Cuda 911, I am replying to your email now. Yes, your "outie" is a fairly common issue these days. I have sent his one occur from different primary modes of failure; because any debris that gets caught between the chain/ drive and the case can cause this. Based on my experience you have not had an issue with the chain it's self, but rather something that the chain picked up. If you look closely you'll see that the chain appears to be taut and properly seated against the drive, that would not be the case if the chain actually failed. Also, that chain is 1" wide, if the chain would have failed the damage to the case would typically be much wider, and cover the entire width of the chain. These chains do wear, and they do stretch, but to date we have not seen the internal tooth type chain snap in half. See the pic below for a good illustration of a normally worn chain, and an abnormally worn chain that had stretched almost 5/16". The deflection between the two really tells the story.
Considering where you are, the good news is we won't need the whole car. My co- instructor in my Porsche engine classes is Tony Callas, of Callas Rennsport. His shop is in Socal and he's the only other person I trust to install one of my engines. We've had great luck having Callas extract the engine, and ship it to us, then we do our work and ship it back to them, they re- install and evaluate the vehicle. We ship cars across the US all the time, but this method has proven to be more cost effective and simpler for those in California. Its also proven to protect my reputation, because the Callas crew is just as detail oriented as we are.
FWIW- It is 100% IMPOSSIBLE to "rebuild" one of these engines thoroughly for 8k! The term "rebuild" is used very loosely, and thats why we refuse to use the term. To go through one of these engines properly, from cradle to grave, addressing all the factory deficiencies costs 14-16K IN PARTS & PROCESSES ONLY.
BTW- The 914 looks solid!
#130
As for the content deletion on your upcoming book, bummers...
As for a signed copy, bummers too.
Also I hear two things being mentioned, repair and rebuild. However it's funny that most posters here automatically express the term rebuild which once again speaks to the mentality of the 996 gloom and doom folks.
So Jake, without tearing into the motor does this look like a repair candidate or does the probability lean more towards a rebuild?
#131
Former Vendor
Can you enlighten some of us and explain how a rod bolt can just "fall" out? I gotta say, I've come across some odd failures on this motor that I don't normally see with other marques.
He never heard the rod bolt exit the block..
As for the content deletion on your upcoming book, bummers...
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As for a signed copy, bummers too.
Also I hear two things being mentioned, repair and rebuild. However it's funny that most posters here automatically express the term rebuild which once again speaks to the mentality of the 996 gloom and doom folks.
So Jake, without tearing into the motor does this look like a repair candidate or does the probability lean more towards a rebuild?
If I see this failure with a 40K mile car, I'll repair it and address a few deficiencies and the return on investment will be great.
If I see this failure with a 119K mile car, I won't even consider repairing it; because the owner will be throwing good money at bad, and will not get the proper return on investment for the expenditure.
Generally the highest mileage engine I'll "repair" is 65K, but thats dependent upon the mode of failure that required the repair to be made. I will also "down" any engine for repair if the cylinders show ovality, taper, or any sort of visual or measurable wear.
A rebuild is not a reconstruction. The term "overhaul" is more what these "rebuilders" should be using, but they don't. It doesn't market as well, even though its a more proper term.
#132
Cuda, if you decide to go with Callas in Torrance, I will gladly tag along with you (if you do not mind). I was going to message you about him since he is the ONLY guy in our neck of the woods with JR's stamp of approval
#133
Race Director
Thread Starter
Sent you a reply to your email, Jake.
In fact, my car is a 119,000-miler, so that may limit my options. Not a garage queen by any stretch of the imagination. I bought it to drive.
I 100% agree about the term "rebuild". I've been saying that for years, that the term "rebuild" has close to zero value.
Amazing how many cars for sale say something like "rebuilt engine." That means nothing, without specifically defining what was meant by the rebuild.
In fact, my car is a 119,000-miler, so that may limit my options. Not a garage queen by any stretch of the imagination. I bought it to drive.
I 100% agree about the term "rebuild". I've been saying that for years, that the term "rebuild" has close to zero value.
Amazing how many cars for sale say something like "rebuilt engine." That means nothing, without specifically defining what was meant by the rebuild.
#135
Former Vendor
We've been developing the 9a1 engines since 2010, and have already produced a 4.2L beast without any help from anyone outside our network.
Cuda 911, I didn't receive your reply?