i cant believe it happened to me!!! UPDATE!!
01-13-2010, 05:27 PM
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Shop Visit
We do not have a showroom, my facility is situated more like a lab and testing facility more than a conventional shop... We don't see many clients face to face.
I would be happy to show you around when you are in town.. We have tons of broken parts and updated parts on hand at all times.
Due to the rules of Rennlist I'd prefer not to answer any other direct questions about services and etc. I am simply here to provide the most accurate general IMS info possible.
I would be happy to show you around when you are in town.. We have tons of broken parts and updated parts on hand at all times.
Due to the rules of Rennlist I'd prefer not to answer any other direct questions about services and etc. I am simply here to provide the most accurate general IMS info possible.
That would be great! I understand about the rules, no problem. You are doing a great job/service for this M96 community and think this is very important.
Honestly I did recently sell my 99-C2 because of this issue. But learning more about this I will indeed replace it with a new one and just get the issues taken care of if it means shippinng the car to you and driving it home aferwards.....
Thanks, 99C2
01-13-2010, 05:38 PM
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Excellent!!!
....The Owner noted a knocking sound and wanted it looked into and the engine made low power on it's initial chassis dyno evaluation before we took it apart, both are indicators of an imminent issue. I suppose we are lucky this one didn't fail on the dyno during the pre-procedure evaluation!
Jake:
You mention above on your recent post the owner noted a knocking sound....I had that kncking sound too recenetly before I sold my car. Now as I remember that knocking dissipated after it warmed up. That's what I recall anyway.
I wonder if I was headed in that direction too! Wow!!!!
99C2
....The Owner noted a knocking sound and wanted it looked into and the engine made low power on it's initial chassis dyno evaluation before we took it apart, both are indicators of an imminent issue. I suppose we are lucky this one didn't fail on the dyno during the pre-procedure evaluation!
Jake:
You mention above on your recent post the owner noted a knocking sound....I had that kncking sound too recenetly before I sold my car. Now as I remember that knocking dissipated after it warmed up. That's what I recall anyway.
I wonder if I was headed in that direction too! Wow!!!!
99C2
01-13-2010, 05:56 PM
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It may not be proper protocol to question a board sponsor but here goes. If Porsche, the manufacturer, has known about the IMS problem for nearly 10 years (up to the 997) - making several revisions to the IMS & spending probably millions of dollars without success, what are the odds that a small shop could successfully manufacture a defect free product? The fact that a customer may not yet have suffered a failure of your IMS does not establish your product as a success. Just something to think about.
Excellent!!!
Any chance you'd be willing to ship that failed bearing to us for evaluation? Not many cases where the bearing has failed leave the victim with a salvageable engine as very few are caught in time or people just keep on driving.
More good news:
We were in the middle of a preventive IMSR today and ended up pulling a bearing that had just began to fail!!! Its the first bearing I have seen that was caught this early on in the failure process. The permanent lubricant inside the bearing had just been compromised and due to that is smells like crap! The IMS tube was filled with fresh oil, the same color as what was in the crankcase, not the nasty black oil that we normally find, meaning this oil had very recently made its way past the seals in the bearing and filled the tube.
The best part is the fact that the inner race had just started to seize and spin on the bearing flange surface. It did this just enough to end up with metal transfer between the two that is very slight, but proves the bearing was caught in the middle of failure.
I learned something new about this failure today and have just out of the blue started to notice a trend that I haven't noted before.
The Owner noted a knocking sound and wanted it looked into and the engine made low power on it's initial chassis dyno evaluation before we took it apart, both are indicators of an imminent issue. I suppose we are lucky this one didn't fail on the dyno during the pre-procedure evaluation!
I can't wait to cut this bearing apart tonight! This will make for some very good conversation and understanding.. My article and DVD just got better!
Any chance you'd be willing to ship that failed bearing to us for evaluation? Not many cases where the bearing has failed leave the victim with a salvageable engine as very few are caught in time or people just keep on driving.
More good news:
We were in the middle of a preventive IMSR today and ended up pulling a bearing that had just began to fail!!! Its the first bearing I have seen that was caught this early on in the failure process. The permanent lubricant inside the bearing had just been compromised and due to that is smells like crap! The IMS tube was filled with fresh oil, the same color as what was in the crankcase, not the nasty black oil that we normally find, meaning this oil had very recently made its way past the seals in the bearing and filled the tube.
The best part is the fact that the inner race had just started to seize and spin on the bearing flange surface. It did this just enough to end up with metal transfer between the two that is very slight, but proves the bearing was caught in the middle of failure.
I learned something new about this failure today and have just out of the blue started to notice a trend that I haven't noted before.
The Owner noted a knocking sound and wanted it looked into and the engine made low power on it's initial chassis dyno evaluation before we took it apart, both are indicators of an imminent issue. I suppose we are lucky this one didn't fail on the dyno during the pre-procedure evaluation!
I can't wait to cut this bearing apart tonight! This will make for some very good conversation and understanding.. My article and DVD just got better!
01-13-2010, 06:36 PM
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It may not be proper protocol to question a board sponsor but here goes. If Porsche, the manufacturer, has known about the IMS problem for nearly 10 years (up to the 997) - making several revisions to the IMS & spending probably millions of dollars without success, what are the odds that a small shop could successfully manufacture a defect free product? The fact that a customer may not yet have suffered a failure of your IMS does not establish your product as a success. Just something to think about.
IF it were a possibility to remove the IMS with the engine in the car and apply a totally different concept, I would. The fact is the IMSR bearing is the most high quality bearing that can be produced with the most advanced materials that will still fit in the confines of the engine, with the engine assembled and in the car.
The IMSR was not originally intended for preventive measures- it was originally developed to be a very specialized complimentary component for a product line of updated M96 engine components. The bearing was originally developed and used to solve issues just like H64's where an engine would be TOTAL JUNK after an IMS bearing failure without the bearing replacement being a possibility. Over time the procedure has become a preventive and that preventive just saved a Rennlist member 15,000.00 today and I had him come by to take pictures and smell the scorched bearing!
What matters more than the bearing quality it's self is the procedure and tools we have developed for bearing extraction. This time last year people were asking the question "Can the IMS bearing be extracted and replaced?" and now this year the question is "How durable is the retrofit bearing?"
To me the procedure and tooling is the biggest key as now even if someone wants to change the bearing every 10K miles that can be done- it could not last year.
As I said earlier, when the M96 engine was originally developed the material that makes up the hybrid composite IMS bearing was not available to the automotive industry.
We have simply developed a bearing, procedure and tooling to allow what Porsche said was impossible to be a reality. Doing this has saved many engines thus far and will continue to over time.
We are doing the best we can given the constraints that Porsche has presented with the M96. Just because Porsche didn't recognize this problem and create a "fix" for it doesn't mean that a group of innovative hard chargers with determination can't make it happen. On many occasions the Porsche aftermarket has solved problems that the manufacturer did not/ could not...
01-13-2010, 11:20 PM
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01-14-2010, 09:36 AM
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Honestly I commend you for your business savvy. You were able to convince everyone that a small shop could solve a problem that a billion dollar car manufacturer couldn't solve in almost 10 years. I read something recently that really caused me to think - a study suggested that the average IQ in the US is about 100. If true, this would explain a lot. In this situation its probably more-so a fear based reaction.
And believe me that gets brought up all the time.. What you don't understand is the fact that we are not focused on producing hundreds of thousands of cars, engines or bearings.
IF it were a possibility to remove the IMS with the engine in the car and apply a totally different concept, I would. The fact is the IMSR bearing is the most high quality bearing that can be produced with the most advanced materials that will still fit in the confines of the engine, with the engine assembled and in the car.
The IMSR was not originally intended for preventive measures- it was originally developed to be a very specialized complimentary component for a product line of updated M96 engine components. The bearing was originally developed and used to solve issues just like H64's where an engine would be TOTAL JUNK after an IMS bearing failure without the bearing replacement being a possibility. Over time the procedure has become a preventive and that preventive just saved a Rennlist member 15,000.00 today and I had him come by to take pictures and smell the scorched bearing!
What matters more than the bearing quality it's self is the procedure and tools we have developed for bearing extraction. This time last year people were asking the question "Can the IMS bearing be extracted and replaced?" and now this year the question is "How durable is the retrofit bearing?"
To me the procedure and tooling is the biggest key as now even if someone wants to change the bearing every 10K miles that can be done- it could not last year.
As I said earlier, when the M96 engine was originally developed the material that makes up the hybrid composite IMS bearing was not available to the automotive industry.
We have simply developed a bearing, procedure and tooling to allow what Porsche said was impossible to be a reality. Doing this has saved many engines thus far and will continue to over time.
We are doing the best we can given the constraints that Porsche has presented with the M96. Just because Porsche didn't recognize this problem and create a "fix" for it doesn't mean that a group of innovative hard chargers with determination can't make it happen. On many occasions the Porsche aftermarket has solved problems that the manufacturer did not/ could not...
IF it were a possibility to remove the IMS with the engine in the car and apply a totally different concept, I would. The fact is the IMSR bearing is the most high quality bearing that can be produced with the most advanced materials that will still fit in the confines of the engine, with the engine assembled and in the car.
The IMSR was not originally intended for preventive measures- it was originally developed to be a very specialized complimentary component for a product line of updated M96 engine components. The bearing was originally developed and used to solve issues just like H64's where an engine would be TOTAL JUNK after an IMS bearing failure without the bearing replacement being a possibility. Over time the procedure has become a preventive and that preventive just saved a Rennlist member 15,000.00 today and I had him come by to take pictures and smell the scorched bearing!
What matters more than the bearing quality it's self is the procedure and tools we have developed for bearing extraction. This time last year people were asking the question "Can the IMS bearing be extracted and replaced?" and now this year the question is "How durable is the retrofit bearing?"
To me the procedure and tooling is the biggest key as now even if someone wants to change the bearing every 10K miles that can be done- it could not last year.
As I said earlier, when the M96 engine was originally developed the material that makes up the hybrid composite IMS bearing was not available to the automotive industry.
We have simply developed a bearing, procedure and tooling to allow what Porsche said was impossible to be a reality. Doing this has saved many engines thus far and will continue to over time.
We are doing the best we can given the constraints that Porsche has presented with the M96. Just because Porsche didn't recognize this problem and create a "fix" for it doesn't mean that a group of innovative hard chargers with determination can't make it happen. On many occasions the Porsche aftermarket has solved problems that the manufacturer did not/ could not...
01-14-2010, 09:57 AM
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Seriously? You read a study that suggested that? **detect humorous sarcasm** 
A couple things.
Average is not a derogatory term. It spells out EXACTLY what you are supposed to be. Average is what is referred to as the 50th percentile. What does that mean? It means that 50% off the population is above that value and 50% are below that value.
An IQ of 100 is a standard mean set in a normal distribution of IQ scores. Almost 70% of the population (68%) have an average IQ. That would be all those within +/- 1 standard deviation of the standard mean of 100 (85-115). What does that tell you? Only 16% of the population have an IQ above 115!
Further, IQ is NOT a measure of smarts. It's a measure of general knowledge compared to a population that the distribution is normed against. Is there a correlation between IQ and intellect, job attainment, etc? Absolutely.
These percentages are not something you need to read in a study and question if they are true. They are mathematical fact.
Damn, I hate getting dragged into stats mini-lectures.
....and now back to our regularly scheduled programming "As the M96 IMS turns"
A couple things.
Average is not a derogatory term. It spells out EXACTLY what you are supposed to be. Average is what is referred to as the 50th percentile. What does that mean? It means that 50% off the population is above that value and 50% are below that value.
An IQ of 100 is a standard mean set in a normal distribution of IQ scores. Almost 70% of the population (68%) have an average IQ. That would be all those within +/- 1 standard deviation of the standard mean of 100 (85-115). What does that tell you? Only 16% of the population have an IQ above 115!
Further, IQ is NOT a measure of smarts. It's a measure of general knowledge compared to a population that the distribution is normed against. Is there a correlation between IQ and intellect, job attainment, etc? Absolutely.
These percentages are not something you need to read in a study and question if they are true. They are mathematical fact.
Damn, I hate getting dragged into stats mini-lectures.
....and now back to our regularly scheduled programming "As the M96 IMS turns"
01-14-2010, 10:08 AM
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Your understanding of humor is similar to your understanding of statistics. :-) Wasn't it you who stated that the number of IMS failures was statically insignificant? Please step away from the keyboard or you'll find yourself in another self-imposed timeout due to yet another meltdown. 
Seriously? You read a study that suggested that? **detect humorous sarcasm**
A couple things.
Average is not a derogatory term. It spells out EXACTLY what you are supposed to be. Average is what is referred to as the 50th percentile. What does that mean? It means that 50% off the population is above that value and 50% are below that value.
An IQ of 100 is a standard mean set in a normal distribution of IQ scores. Almost 70% of the population (68%) have an average IQ. That would be all those within +/- 1 standard deviation of the standard mean of 100 (85-115). What does that tell you? Only 16% of the population have an IQ above 115!
Further, IQ is NOT a measure of smarts. It's a measure of general knowledge compared to a population that the distribution is normed against. Is there a correlation between IQ and intellect, job attainment, etc? Absolutely, but it really doesn't tell us much.
These percentages are not something you need to read in a study and question if they are true. They are mathematical fact.
Damn, I hate getting dragged into stats mini-lectures.
...and now back to our regularly scheduled programming of M96 irrational fear.
A couple things.
Average is not a derogatory term. It spells out EXACTLY what you are supposed to be. Average is what is referred to as the 50th percentile. What does that mean? It means that 50% off the population is above that value and 50% are below that value.
An IQ of 100 is a standard mean set in a normal distribution of IQ scores. Almost 70% of the population (68%) have an average IQ. That would be all those within +/- 1 standard deviation of the standard mean of 100 (85-115). What does that tell you? Only 16% of the population have an IQ above 115!
Further, IQ is NOT a measure of smarts. It's a measure of general knowledge compared to a population that the distribution is normed against. Is there a correlation between IQ and intellect, job attainment, etc? Absolutely, but it really doesn't tell us much.
These percentages are not something you need to read in a study and question if they are true. They are mathematical fact.
Damn, I hate getting dragged into stats mini-lectures.
...and now back to our regularly scheduled programming of M96 irrational fear.
01-14-2010, 10:11 AM
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You need to find that post as I did not say that. What I have said time and time again that NOBODY knows the number of IMS failures.
If you think my understanding of statistics is below average, then I invite you to come sit in on one of my stats lectures. Maybe you'll learn something?
Don't be an ******* hiding behind your keyboard. I never attacked you and made sure to explain I was being humorous yet you feel the need to? Stay classy.
If you think my understanding of statistics is below average, then I invite you to come sit in on one of my stats lectures. Maybe you'll learn something?
Don't be an ******* hiding behind your keyboard. I never attacked you and made sure to explain I was being humorous yet you feel the need to? Stay classy.
01-14-2010, 11:43 AM
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Seriously, if I was interested in listening in on one of your "lectures" I could read one of your thousands of posts (by the way, did it reset when you hit 20k or did you ask a moderator to adjust it because the number showed you had no life) where you repeatedly announce that you are a statistics instructor. I hope you're discussing your self-esteem issues with your therapist because, statistically speaking, you have problems.
You need to find that post as I did not say that. What I have said time and time again that NOBODY knows the number of IMS failures.
If you think my understanding of statistics is below average, then I invite you to come sit in on one of my stats lectures. Maybe you'll learn something?
Don't be an ******* hiding behind your keyboard. I never attacked you and made sure to explain I was being humorous yet you feel the need to? Stay classy.
If you think my understanding of statistics is below average, then I invite you to come sit in on one of my stats lectures. Maybe you'll learn something?
Don't be an ******* hiding behind your keyboard. I never attacked you and made sure to explain I was being humorous yet you feel the need to? Stay classy.
01-14-2010, 11:49 AM
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jw97c2s......expected response. Enjoy your insecure life that is pumped up by attacking people and trying to push buttons anonymously. Maybe the old me would be baited to continue this worthless banter, not now. Enjoy.
01-14-2010, 11:57 AM
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Good to see the therapy is working but please stop posting so much or you'll be forced to have a moderator re-adjust your post count again. Have a nice day.
