Prices Keep Drifting Up
If it's any indication, the first track day of the year was well represented by 5-6 different 996s. 2 of us were instructors so 3-4 were in the novice group. Haven't seen this type of showing since the early 2010s. Didn't get the chance to ask them if they were new owners due rain showers hitting at lunch and everybody scattering. But old long time owners of 996 don't just start tracking their cars all of a sudden. So my guess is new owners.
My wild guess is that there will continue to be a wave of new buyers of 996s that are younger and many may try them out on the track. Doubt they are low mileage collectibles.
My wild guess is that there will continue to be a wave of new buyers of 996s that are younger and many may try them out on the track. Doubt they are low mileage collectibles.
If it's any indication, the first track day of the year was well represented by 5-6 different 996s. 2 of us were instructors so 3-4 were in the novice group. Haven't seen this type of showing since the early 2010s. Didn't get the chance to ask them if they were new owners due rain showers hitting at lunch and everybody scattering. But old long time owners of 996 don't just start tracking their cars all of a sudden. So my guess is new owners.
My wild guess is that there will continue to be a wave of new buyers of 996s that are younger and many may try them out on the track. Doubt they are low mileage collectibles.
My wild guess is that there will continue to be a wave of new buyers of 996s that are younger and many may try them out on the track. Doubt they are low mileage collectibles.
How many survived the day 
Kidding aside, I've tracked a couple of different cars but I'm just too scared to take my 996. Too many horror stories of oil pressure loss and/or blown AOSs. Maybe one day I'll get over it and really get to know the limits of this car

Kidding aside, I've tracked a couple of different cars but I'm just too scared to take my 996. Too many horror stories of oil pressure loss and/or blown AOSs. Maybe one day I'll get over it and really get to know the limits of this car
To mitigate oil starvation use either a 2qt deep sump or the UIDS in combination with the UAOS track version which gives you an additional 1-2 quarts of oil as well. An extra 2 quarts if you pass Skips blow-test. If you add this up, you get 3-4 more qts of oil. Our engines like lots and lots of fresh high quality oil. Many are discussing the benefits of using 50 vs 40 weight oil in our engines on the track.
To mitigate hydralock use the UAOS Track version vs the OEM AOS or the Porsche Motorsports AOS. It captures the oil under heavy Gs and sends it back to the sump instead of the heads/cylinders. Plus the ability to handle an extra 1-2 qts of oil above full as mentioned above.
To mitigate temps, make sure your water cooling system is functioning properly and your radiators are clean. You can get a low temp thermostat, third radiator as well as upgrade your oil cooler from the 996 to 997S cooler for more cooling. But all you really have to do is make sure you keep your track time to 20 min and then cool it down on the cool down lap and then take it for a cool down lap around the paddock.
Just make sure you test your oil, drop the sump and cut open the oil filter to see what's in them, and scope your bores to see their condition. Skip will tell you to get a blow-by test as well. A bad engine, mezger or M96 won't last long on the track. Doesnt matter what you bolt on for prevention with a bad engine. Oh yeah, make sure you have fresh oil in the engine that can handle the rigors and heat for a track day. For sure, make sure you are running a great IMSB.
No guarentees, but pretty straightforward and easy to do. But eventually every emgine known to man will need to be rebuilt. Unfortunately, the laws of physics always wins.
Last edited by GC996; Apr 26, 2024 at 07:29 PM.
Believe it or not, the M96 engine likes to be tracked and is pretty durable. I have been tracking mine since 2004. ~90 track days half of which have been on hoosiers in the fastest run group. The key to the engine is to mitigate the risk of oil starvation/oil pressure drops, prevent hydralock and keep the water temps and oil temps contained.
To mitigate oil starvation use either a 2qt deep sump or the UIDS in combination with the UAOS track version which gives you an additional 1-2 quarts of oil as well. An extra 2 quarts if you pass Skips blow-test. If you add this up, you get 3-4 more qts of oil. Our engines like lots and lots of fresh high quality oil. Many are discussing the benefits of using 50 vs 40 weight oil in our engines on the track.
To mitigate hydralock use the UAOS Track version vs the OEM AOS or the Porsche Motorsports AOS. It captures the oil under heavy Gs and sends it back to the sump instead of the heads/cylinders. Plus the ability to handle an extra 1-2 qts of oil above full as mentioned above.
To mitigate temps, make sure your water cooling system is functioning properly and your radiators are clean. You can get a low temp thermostat, third radiator as well as upgrade your oil cooler from the 996 to 997S cooler for more cooling. But all you really have to do is make sure you keep your track time to 20 min and then cool it down on the cool down lap and then take it for a cool down lap around the paddock.
Just make sure you test your oil, drop the sump and cut open the oil filter to see what's in them, and scope your bores to see their condition. Skip will tell you to get a blow-by test as well. A bad engine, mezger or M96 won't last long on the track. Doesnt matter what you bolt on for prevention with a bad engine. Oh yeah, make sure you have fresh oil in the engine that can handle the rigors and heat for a track day. For sure, make sure you are running a great IMSB.
No guarentees, but pretty straightforward and easy to do. But eventually every emgine known to man will need to be rebuilt. Unfortunately, the laws of physics always wins.
To mitigate oil starvation use either a 2qt deep sump or the UIDS in combination with the UAOS track version which gives you an additional 1-2 quarts of oil as well. An extra 2 quarts if you pass Skips blow-test. If you add this up, you get 3-4 more qts of oil. Our engines like lots and lots of fresh high quality oil. Many are discussing the benefits of using 50 vs 40 weight oil in our engines on the track.
To mitigate hydralock use the UAOS Track version vs the OEM AOS or the Porsche Motorsports AOS. It captures the oil under heavy Gs and sends it back to the sump instead of the heads/cylinders. Plus the ability to handle an extra 1-2 qts of oil above full as mentioned above.
To mitigate temps, make sure your water cooling system is functioning properly and your radiators are clean. You can get a low temp thermostat, third radiator as well as upgrade your oil cooler from the 996 to 997S cooler for more cooling. But all you really have to do is make sure you keep your track time to 20 min and then cool it down on the cool down lap and then take it for a cool down lap around the paddock.
Just make sure you test your oil, drop the sump and cut open the oil filter to see what's in them, and scope your bores to see their condition. Skip will tell you to get a blow-by test as well. A bad engine, mezger or M96 won't last long on the track. Doesnt matter what you bolt on for prevention with a bad engine. Oh yeah, make sure you have fresh oil in the engine that can handle the rigors and heat for a track day. For sure, make sure you are running a great IMSB.
No guarentees, but pretty straightforward and easy to do. But eventually every emgine known to man will need to be rebuilt. Unfortunately, the laws of physics always wins.
Agreed and those represent a fairly small chunk of the market. People have been paying a premium for low miles and paint colors so this is nothing new. I'm more curious to see how cars with 80 - 100k+ miles that have been driven and cared for do out on the market. Even then, these are cars that saw 5k miles/year or less! That's a more realistic representation of whether the prices are drifting up or not.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...rrera-targa-3/
They're flat or drifting down with the general market. Here's a 996 targa tip with 94K miles that appears well kept -- $22.4K.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...rrera-targa-3/
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...rrera-targa-3/
For sure Marv. Caymans and especially Boxsters are very affordable and extremely well-balanced cars for the track. Everything we discuss here on Rennlist regarding preventive solutions for the 996 apply to the 986, 987 and 997.1 M9X engine.
If history is any guide, as the newer model 911s, Caymans and Boxsters role off of their warranties and the reality sets in as to the huge cost to service and maintain the newer and more technically complicated models...
we will most likely see ownership turnover and less of the newer models post warranty on the track and an inevitable migration back towards the M9X models.
At the end of the day, whether we like to admit it or not, money (out of pocket cost) drives the decisions of every human being. If you have the Porsche bug, but don't want the service costs of maintaining a newer model 911, Cayman or Boxster post warranty, the 997, 996, 987 and 986 look very attractive. Especially if you want to enjoy the car on the track.
If history is any guide, as the newer model 911s, Caymans and Boxsters role off of their warranties and the reality sets in as to the huge cost to service and maintain the newer and more technically complicated models...
we will most likely see ownership turnover and less of the newer models post warranty on the track and an inevitable migration back towards the M9X models.
At the end of the day, whether we like to admit it or not, money (out of pocket cost) drives the decisions of every human being. If you have the Porsche bug, but don't want the service costs of maintaining a newer model 911, Cayman or Boxster post warranty, the 997, 996, 987 and 986 look very attractive. Especially if you want to enjoy the car on the track.
For sure Marv. Caymans and especially Boxsters are very affordable and extremely well-balanced cars for the track. Everything we discuss here on Rennlist regarding preventive solutions for the 996 apply to the 986, 987 and 997.1 M9X engine.
If history is any guide, as the newer model 911s, Caymans and Boxsters role off of their warranties and the reality sets in as to the huge cost to service and maintain the newer and more technically complicated models...
we will most likely see ownership turnover and less of the newer models post warranty on the track and an inevitable migration back towards the M9X models.
At the end of the day, whether we like to admit it or not, money (out of pocket cost) drives the decisions of every human being. If you have the Porsche bug, but don't want the service costs of maintaining a newer model 911, Cayman or Boxster post warranty, the 997, 996, 987 and 986 look very attractive. Especially if you want to enjoy the car on the track.
If history is any guide, as the newer model 911s, Caymans and Boxsters role off of their warranties and the reality sets in as to the huge cost to service and maintain the newer and more technically complicated models...
we will most likely see ownership turnover and less of the newer models post warranty on the track and an inevitable migration back towards the M9X models.
At the end of the day, whether we like to admit it or not, money (out of pocket cost) drives the decisions of every human being. If you have the Porsche bug, but don't want the service costs of maintaining a newer model 911, Cayman or Boxster post warranty, the 997, 996, 987 and 986 look very attractive. Especially if you want to enjoy the car on the track.
Believe it or not, the M96 engine likes to be tracked and is pretty durable. I have been tracking mine since 2004. ~90 track days half of which have been on hoosiers in the fastest run group. The key to the engine is to mitigate the risk of oil starvation/oil pressure drops, prevent hydralock and keep the water temps and oil temps contained.
Kinda like attempting to run a marathon in business dress shoes when you should be running in the appropriate athletic "running" shoes.




