Prices Keep Drifting Up
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I own one, it works just fine. Of course no engine is infallible, but the fact is, the M96.7/9 engines don't break nearly as often as the M96.0s. A rebuilt motor holds little premium over a stock one, regardless of who touched it.
Everyone has different needs & wants and I understand why one might buy a 1999 C2 and why that makes sense in the 25-35k range. Throwing another 20-30k at it for either a marginal improvement, or at best, still worse than what the factory provided in another model doesn't sound like a great value.
Everyone has different needs & wants and I understand why one might buy a 1999 C2 and why that makes sense in the 25-35k range. Throwing another 20-30k at it for either a marginal improvement, or at best, still worse than what the factory provided in another model doesn't sound like a great value.
People make the decision because they LOVE a particular car. That’s the value. Some of my customers have a GT3 and a Carrera, they spend the money on my engine for the Carrera just like the guy does who has never owned a Porsche before.
Value is in the eye of the beholder, and what makes sense to you or I doesn’t have to make sense.
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Anecdotes have little value, and anecdotes that are generally caused by user error, even less so.
But yes, I agree. Everyone has different priorities and I appreciate that there are plenty of options out there for the platform. I will say, thank you for the wealth of knowledge you share freely on the forum -- much appreciated.
But yes, I agree. Everyone has different priorities and I appreciate that there are plenty of options out there for the platform. I will say, thank you for the wealth of knowledge you share freely on the forum -- much appreciated.
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It’s getting like the stock market
Honestly, yesterday I was bidding on a 99 convertible at PCA market that had a rebuildable salvage tittle. Anyway the car was like Tom Cruise days of Tunder Chevrolet
( it had been hit in all panels). Anyway my number was $10,000. The car went for $11,660 and the top didn’t work. Like in the stock market don’t worry about valuation as long as there is another soul willing to pay more than you. Sooner or later all stocks come back towards normal valuations, these cars will too. For the meantime I really got a bargain when I got mine, it’s almost like my 2019 F150 super crew with a electronic diff lock, towing package, stx, 20 inch wheels. Plus tint edge guard and wheel locks. Close to $44,000 sticker and dealer sale price. I bought at $28,500. The general manager at Autonation told me at that price buy three of them if you can. Right now with 16,000 I’m getting offered $33,000 and I don’t have to buy anything, the problem as someone said here what I am going to replace it with. Fixing to wash my truck and Porsche, wife will be making dinner and I got a bunch of IPAs in the refrigerator,
( it had been hit in all panels). Anyway my number was $10,000. The car went for $11,660 and the top didn’t work. Like in the stock market don’t worry about valuation as long as there is another soul willing to pay more than you. Sooner or later all stocks come back towards normal valuations, these cars will too. For the meantime I really got a bargain when I got mine, it’s almost like my 2019 F150 super crew with a electronic diff lock, towing package, stx, 20 inch wheels. Plus tint edge guard and wheel locks. Close to $44,000 sticker and dealer sale price. I bought at $28,500. The general manager at Autonation told me at that price buy three of them if you can. Right now with 16,000 I’m getting offered $33,000 and I don’t have to buy anything, the problem as someone said here what I am going to replace it with. Fixing to wash my truck and Porsche, wife will be making dinner and I got a bunch of IPAs in the refrigerator,
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If your engine goes you're going to need more than $30k and a busted Carrera to get into a GT3. I could sell my car with a good engine and toss in another $30k and that still most likely wouldn't land me in a 996 GT3. Most guys aren't tossing $30k at good running engine anyway.
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I own one, it works just fine. Of course no engine is infallible, but the fact is, the M96.7/9 engines don't break nearly as often as the M96.0s. A rebuilt motor holds little premium over a stock one, regardless of who touched it.
Everyone has different needs & wants and I understand why one might buy a 1999 C2 and why that makes sense in the 25-35k range. Throwing another 20-30k at it for either a marginal improvement, or at best, still worse than what the factory provided in another model doesn't sound like a great value.
Everyone has different needs & wants and I understand why one might buy a 1999 C2 and why that makes sense in the 25-35k range. Throwing another 20-30k at it for either a marginal improvement, or at best, still worse than what the factory provided in another model doesn't sound like a great value.
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2004 GT3 | PCA Golden Gate Region (pca-ggr.org) just saying....
OR this
Facebook Marketplace | Facebook a 911 serviced by an expert of some sort.
OR this
Facebook Marketplace | Facebook a 911 serviced by an expert of some sort.
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2004 GT3 | PCA Golden Gate Region (pca-ggr.org) just saying....
OR this
Facebook Marketplace | Facebook a 911 serviced by an expert of some sort.
OR this
Facebook Marketplace | Facebook a 911 serviced by an expert of some sort.
Versus 25k plus a top of the line FSI rebuild at 30k. That's 55k all in.
Not to mention both cars will most likely appreciate over the next decade. Oh, and I forgot to mention you will still need to replace the same parts in both cars that will wear out. One more thing, for 55k you will have a car that will outperform the GT3 on the track.
How do you define value?
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This one is pretty bad
70-75k plus a 50k rebuild that's inevitable? Do I understand that right? That 125k all in.
Versus 25k plus a top of the line FSI rebuild at 30k. That's 55k all in.
Not to mention both cars will most likely appreciate over the next decade. Oh, and I forgot to mention you will still need to replace the same parts in both cars that will wear out. One more thing, for 55k you will have a car that will outperform the GT3 on the track.
How do you define value?
Versus 25k plus a top of the line FSI rebuild at 30k. That's 55k all in.
Not to mention both cars will most likely appreciate over the next decade. Oh, and I forgot to mention you will still need to replace the same parts in both cars that will wear out. One more thing, for 55k you will have a car that will outperform the GT3 on the track.
How do you define value?
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Porsches anyway he took this one and a GT3
to the concourse de elegance show in Kemah, Texas. Just got an email that the second show of the year here is at Porsche Houston North on June 12. I could buy an extravagant car but I prefer to spend my money enjoying life. June is Padre Island 🏝 for a week, 4th of July with my bro at Tampa Clearwater Florida, latter I believe October is Formula one Circuit de las Americas, December is PR
for vacation so I’ll be getting tan and drunk while some others freeze 🥶 their a???. Life is good, just sold all my Ethereum.
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IMO Rennlist quote of the decade: “..a regular old Carrera is more than fine by me. Simple, effective, and makes a great daily driver”.
So much wisdom there, don’t even know where to start. 🤑
So much wisdom there, don’t even know where to start. 🤑
Ever driven one daily? It doesn’t work very well.
On top of that, everything is more expensive.
These engines break too, and when they do I won’t even think about touching one for less than 50K.
Neither the GT3 or turbo are magical answers. Every car has a trade off. I have owned all of them, have built all of them, and a regular old Carrera is more than fine by me. Simple, effective, and makes a great daily driver.
On top of that, everything is more expensive.
These engines break too, and when they do I won’t even think about touching one for less than 50K.
Neither the GT3 or turbo are magical answers. Every car has a trade off. I have owned all of them, have built all of them, and a regular old Carrera is more than fine by me. Simple, effective, and makes a great daily driver.
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A Driver makes a difference
This may be a little of subject. One year I guess I was 12, since me and the two brothers did great in school we got a surprise. Tech 3 probably knows about this, my father was a VP for Sun Electric, they used to manufacture timing lights, tachometers and all type of gauges. Anyway for Christmas my father comes back from a trip to headquarters in Crystal Lake Illinois and he got us a cart. Methanol, aluminum, 1.5 inches from the ground, disc brakes in all four, Carlisle tires. Anyway, we took it to the track and after everyone was good with it we started lap times. To make a long story short, I placed a lap that broke the track record, my father spent 3 hours trying to beat it until he got out of control in a chikane And landed in the pond. Anyway moral of the story a driver makes a difference.
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Just look at stock 996.1 or 996.2 GT3 dyno charts compared to FSI.
An FSI stage 2 outperforms a GT3, especially a 996.1.
It’s especially better for the street. (2500-6000RPM)
Torque in the lower RPM, FSI is king!
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Cool but never as bad ***
If you went with a Track Performer II 4.0, you’ll out perform a 996 GT3.
Just look at stock 996.1 or 996.2 GT3 dyno charts compared to FSI.
An FSI stage 2 outperforms a GT3, especially a 996.1.
It’s especially better for the street. (2500-6000RPM)
Torque in the lower RPM, FSI is king!
Just look at stock 996.1 or 996.2 GT3 dyno charts compared to FSI.
An FSI stage 2 outperforms a GT3, especially a 996.1.
It’s especially better for the street. (2500-6000RPM)
Torque in the lower RPM, FSI is king!
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