Prices Keep Drifting Up
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I saw that interview this morning. Good one and lot's of good points. May the NA engine live long!
Aside from environmental issues with electric cars I'm even more curious about their longevity. Cars are getting more disposable going this direction but not getting any cheaper. What will the second hand market look like for these? You can still buy and use a 20 year old IC car and still get decent economy and sometimes power. What will things look like for a 20yo EV in terms of range. We all know battery capacity degrades over time, especially with fast charging. But then who wants to wait hours to charge it. Can't have it both ways...yet at least.
Aside from environmental issues with electric cars I'm even more curious about their longevity. Cars are getting more disposable going this direction but not getting any cheaper. What will the second hand market look like for these? You can still buy and use a 20 year old IC car and still get decent economy and sometimes power. What will things look like for a 20yo EV in terms of range. We all know battery capacity degrades over time, especially with fast charging. But then who wants to wait hours to charge it. Can't have it both ways...yet at least.
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Agreed. We won't recognize the energy and car manufacturer in 10 years. Which is why I am so damn excited for the 996. The last of the analog, non-nanny 911's that will benefit from the energy and car industry evolution to new usable fuel to power the combustion engine. Not to mention, guys like Jake and Charles who continue to develop new technology, techniques and solutions to keep the cars running.
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In my opinion the prices on CaB are aligned with current market prices when you take into account their mileage, modifications, and accident history.
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Not to be a PITA, but I think the couple of members in this thread who continue to write about Porsches foray into electrics and bio-fuel should start a new thread.
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The bio/synthetic fuel will be interesting. It's inevitable.
There are too many combustion engines in the world to go away for only 250 miles per charge on an electric car. Eventually the environmentalists will realize that damage is being done while mining for lithium and other elements (and supply constraints) to build batteries that are inadequate in storing energy and negatively effecting the environment in non-carbon ways. The evolution of technology always has unintended consequences good and bad.
I suspect Jake at FSI is watching it as well. Big test will be in the Cup series and what they find. Porsche is soliciting F1 to adopt it in 2025. But to your point, who knows what it will do to the engines. More bore scoring, same bore scoring, or less. Will Jake's new technology for the bores address it?
Only time will tell. But the reality is that over time, everything advances. To me, there is NOTHING appealing about driving around an electric car. I prefer to drive my 996 around with the windows down and the radio off to hear the engine, intake and exhaust. If you give me the option to keep driving my car around with bio fuel, even if I have to get the engine rebuilt a little sooner, with an added bonus of being carbon neutral, I'll take the combustion engine or a hybrid any day over an electric engine that sounds like a slot car.
But the beautiful thing about the world is that we all have different preferences. Biofuel gives us options.
As a side note, Chris Harris just did an interview on top gear about this very topic over the past day or two that everyone may find of interest.
There are too many combustion engines in the world to go away for only 250 miles per charge on an electric car. Eventually the environmentalists will realize that damage is being done while mining for lithium and other elements (and supply constraints) to build batteries that are inadequate in storing energy and negatively effecting the environment in non-carbon ways. The evolution of technology always has unintended consequences good and bad.
I suspect Jake at FSI is watching it as well. Big test will be in the Cup series and what they find. Porsche is soliciting F1 to adopt it in 2025. But to your point, who knows what it will do to the engines. More bore scoring, same bore scoring, or less. Will Jake's new technology for the bores address it?
Only time will tell. But the reality is that over time, everything advances. To me, there is NOTHING appealing about driving around an electric car. I prefer to drive my 996 around with the windows down and the radio off to hear the engine, intake and exhaust. If you give me the option to keep driving my car around with bio fuel, even if I have to get the engine rebuilt a little sooner, with an added bonus of being carbon neutral, I'll take the combustion engine or a hybrid any day over an electric engine that sounds like a slot car.
But the beautiful thing about the world is that we all have different preferences. Biofuel gives us options.
As a side note, Chris Harris just did an interview on top gear about this very topic over the past day or two that everyone may find of interest.
The Castor Bean as a crop is not grown much in the US, but is grown heavily in Africa, South America,and India.
It is being developed rapidly for Bio-diesel, and I'm sure can be developed into a "gasoline like" liquid for petrol cars as well.
Plus it smells really good too.
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Good info Porschetek. You are probably the most qualified to discuss the evolution.
Bottom line is prices are a byproduct of supply and demand. The more fuel solutions going forward in the eco friendly environment we are in, the more demand for the 996.
Bottom line is prices are a byproduct of supply and demand. The more fuel solutions going forward in the eco friendly environment we are in, the more demand for the 996.
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Don't know if the prices at Cars & Bids is drifting up or down or not but the 996 Cabs that I looked (the only 996s that I'm interested in because I've got a 2000 C4 Cab) at all seem to be selling in the $20-30k range, which is exactly that range of the asking prices for such cars on CL in my area.
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Definitely not as a fun car replacement. Wouldn’t be opposed to an electric appliance commuter car at some point though. If/when I do purchase an electric commuter I don’t think I could justify the price of a Tesla.
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https://www.pcarmarket.com/auction/2...s-cabriolet-2/
Almost $65k all-in for a 4s cab, albeit 4k miles and X51. What would this have gone for last year?
Almost $65k all-in for a 4s cab, albeit 4k miles and X51. What would this have gone for last year?
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Did somebody say BAT brings cleaner non-modified cars vs CaB? https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...1-carrera-177/
That front end and photo quality. yikes!
That front end and photo quality. yikes!
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https://www.pcarmarket.com/auction/2...s-cabriolet-2/
Almost $65k all-in for a 4s cab, albeit 4k miles and X51. What would this have gone for last year?
That car would of brought about half that last year. I could be wrong but that is turbo money now.
Almost $65k all-in for a 4s cab, albeit 4k miles and X51. What would this have gone for last year?
That car would of brought about half that last year. I could be wrong but that is turbo money now.