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Old Aug 1, 2021 | 02:29 PM
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I just changed the injectors (among other things) on my 55k mile 03 4s and the car seems to me to be quieter and smoother. Will also say the 997 GT3 shifter upgrade is so enjoyable I'm kicking myself for delaying 2 years. If you have any slop in your stock shifter I can't recommend this upgrade enough. Now I just need to add some miles so I can get to my first post new injector UOA and see how my slowly increasing history of fuel dilution changes.
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Old Aug 1, 2021 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Phiphe
probably true, I could see broken ones now at $15-20 easy if the rest of the vehicle is in nice condition. (I say this not knowing what current market is)
bought it for $18 in January. Already past 6,000 miles in my possession. I was offered yesterday $2,000 for my 408 wheels plus cheap Italian replicas. On top of all that I was given $500 to go pick it up. Made $200 driving it home. I’ll never see a deal like that again.
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Old Aug 1, 2021 | 04:23 PM
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Hah!

Surprised the cab didn't go higher...
Actually, if you zoomed in on some of the interior pics it wasn't as pristine as it was portrayed in the comments. There have been better kept cars on BaT with this mileage.
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Old Aug 1, 2021 | 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Flat6 Innovations
The smartest guy in the room buys the car with the broken engine, and gets in line. The only issue is, that people aren't selling the cars broken these days...
hmm........but there are a few quiet guys in the back of the room who found their dream 996 with a blown engine for an absolute steal, researched the crap out of the m96 prior to tear down and were well prepared to build their own 4.0 in their garage. And a couple of months later and they're already out on spirited drives with their buddies and their 996's with invaluable insight about how their engines are put together.
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Old Aug 1, 2021 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by e30rapidic
hmm........but there are a few quiet guys in the back of the room who found their dream 996 with a blown engine for an absolute steal, researched the crap out of the m96 prior to tear down and were well prepared to build their own 4.0 in their garage. And a couple of months later and they're already out on spirited drives with their buddies and their 996's with invaluable insight about how their engines are put together.
Hey!!! don't forget about us mouth breathers who bought a car with no ppi and have zero issues. Anyone who finds this forum and "educates" themselves before buying would be nuts to buy a 996. Im glad I didn't I would have bought something else. The market currently disagrees with the smart guys as the "data" points in this thread show. To those lurkers still shopping... A rebuild is not an invetability with any degree of certainty, im not lucky and I'm not and anomaly. You will enjoy the car and the original engine will make you happy.

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Old Aug 1, 2021 | 07:59 PM
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not a lot of motors you can do that with, M96 is one of them; especially the early ones


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bought a car with no ppi and have zero issues.
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Old Aug 1, 2021 | 08:02 PM
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I too bought a garage queen with no PPI and haven't suffered the consequences to date. However, implying that increasing prices of 996 models is the market's way of saying the various costly 996 engine problems is grossly overblown is a reach in my opinion. IMSB issue, yes, I think the market has gotten over that now that a relatively inexpensive fix is now routine maintenance. Granted many horror stories show up on RL, which is expected, since few people join a technical forum to say "my car is perfect and nothing wrong ever happens".

Anyone who finds this forum and self educates would be nuts to buy a 996.

No, anyone who finds this forum will be going in with eyes wide open and educated. They can research any topic and decide for themselves their risk tolerance. Nobody ever makes a better decision on anything with less information.
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Old Aug 1, 2021 | 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Houtx996
Hey!!! don't forget about us mouth breathers who bought a car with no ppi and have zero issues. Anyone who finds this forum and "educates" themselves before buying would be nuts to buy a 996. Im glad I didn't I would have bought something else. The market currently disagrees with the smart guys as the "data" points in this thread show. To those lurkers still shopping... A rebuild is not an invetability with any degree of certainty, im not lucky and I'm not and anomaly. You will enjoy the car and the original engine will make you happy.
That's what I did. High mileage early 99 three states away with no ppi. No big issue yet
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Old Aug 1, 2021 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Optionman1
I too bought a garage queen with no PPI and haven't suffered the consequences to date. However, implying that increasing prices of 996 models is the market's way of saying the various costly 996 engine problems is grossly overblown is a reach in my opinion. IMSB issue, yes, I think the market has gotten over that now that a relatively inexpensive fix is now routine maintenance. Granted many horror stories show up on RL, which is expected, since few people join a technical forum to say "my car is perfect and nothing wrong ever happens".

Anyone who finds this forum and self educates would be nuts to buy a 996.

No, anyone who finds this forum will be going in with eyes wide open and educated. They can research any topic and decide for themselves their risk tolerance. Nobody ever makes a better decision on anything with less information.
i disagree with your first paragraph if the problems were as widely spread as stated here then any car without a rebuild is near being a roller and that would/should be reflected in the price.. at least it is with older F cars that have not had the engine out service. The fact is less miles original engine commands a premium. The reality is a rebuild does not add value to the car. As for your third paragraph ok maybe thats a better way to say it. The engines are not made of glass like is so often stated here.

And for those of you guys "I didn't do a rebuild for the next buyer" cool hope your happy, but this is a discussion about appreciation/depreciation and that requires people selling cars.


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Old Aug 1, 2021 | 11:34 PM
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Yeah I agree a ppi should be done but I think research on the owner is a good indication of the car they are selling I did just that for my car and I got lucky bought a high mileage one half way across the country and loving every revved mile I drive it big smiles and ogling faces my way
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Old Aug 2, 2021 | 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by GarrettSR5
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...-cabriolet-33/

Zanzibar red cab. Wonder how it does
why do those ******** have such a hard time getting the HP numbers right? The 99 had 296, the 00 and 01 had 300. It’s f’ing ridiculous. I pretty much got banned for asking them to get this right.
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Old Aug 2, 2021 | 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Flat6 Innovations
The smartest guy in the room buys the car with the broken engine, and gets in line. The only issue is, that people aren't selling the cars broken these days...
aren’t you busy rebuilding engines?
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Old Aug 2, 2021 | 12:07 PM
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Is there an actual power difference between 296 and 300, or was this simply a marketing edit?? If it was eGas then the 1999 C4 would not be 296 either correct?

And FWIW my 2001 felt seat of pants 20HP+ more than either of my 1999’s. And 2002 felt 50HP+ more than all of them.


Originally Posted by oregondave
why do those ******** have such a hard time getting the HP numbers right? The 99 had 296, the 00 and 01 had 300. It’s f’ing ridiculous. I pretty much got banned for asking them to get this right.

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Old Aug 2, 2021 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Flat6 Innovations
The smartest guy in the room buys the car with the broken engine, and gets in line. The only issue is, that people aren't selling the cars broken these days...
Smartest guy in the room buys a Metzger or just buys a car with a 9A1.
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Old Aug 2, 2021 | 12:33 PM
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Smartest guy in the room buys a Metzger or just buys a car with a 9A1.
Not if he knows what I know-
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