XUR

Nothing new, we've ALL been repeating the SAME THING for the past couple of days... until finally:

Back on topic, which is about the values of WIDEBODY 993s, here's a nice one for $160k https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/...pe-c-12630.htm

Blue TTop

Arguing over the C2S vs. C4S seems silly.

Based on this thread I should sell my ‘97 turbo asap before I can’t afford one of these spare-parts wide body cars. As an owner of a NB and a “real” WB I find the argument ridiculous. Having both cars on my lift it is easy to see Porsche widened the turbo fender flares to fit the turbos. The turbo fender flares were then used on the C2S and C4S for appearance only..... not function. Aren’t these the only 911 S models with no additional power?

71-3.0-911

This is correct. Stock for stock, S in 993 guise is actually heavier and slower than its NB brethren.

Clark W Griswold

It's also kinda clear that Porsche threw in a turbo anyway they could considering the intercooler sticks out above the chassis. Ive always thought that was a trip on early turbos. I know now days it is impossible considering the value of these cars but I always wondered if anyone (besides RUF) relocated intercoolers and did a turbo spoiler delete.

Paolo1

However, the buyer of an 'S' will have a lighter wallet vs the buyer of a NB

XUR

I replied early and was warned for being too provocative, although I'd argue the ignorant statement that these are "spare-parts" cars is equally provocative and judgmental. Nevertheless, I will temper my response and not resort to ad hominem... but will say, that it can be argued that Turbo cars with their modest powers don't need those flares. You can hardly justify your "form follows function" ideal by thinking its slight power increase actually needs it to be wider.

And really, if you're all about function and performance, you're already completely in the wrong place with a 993 period. So I question the integrity and hypocrisy of your high brow ideal. Not what these cars are about. A distracted programmer in his Model 3 Base, sipping on Starbucks, will be faster.

Clark W Griswold

THIS

rk-d

At this stage of the game, it's specious to call the Turbo the only "real" WB. These cars are 25 years old and the tradition of using wide fender flares on Carrera models is a long one - preceding the 993.

Here's my hot take: Personally, I didn't want a 993 Turbo. I like turbo platforms, but when it comes to FI, I prefer modern engines - and ironically will be getting a 992 TTS for that purpose. That said, NA motors just feel a little more special to me nowadays. For those of us who want wide body aesthetics and an NA motor, the S models are the way to go.

Clark W Griswold

I am in agreement with this. In fact I passed on a 993TT for LESS money than I paid for my C2S. Not a lot less but it was less.

mdude

$60k in mods??
That's "hardback + ROW suspension + SSK + tie rot pin + modified steering wheel + hollow spook turbo twist (or RUF or your favorite aftermarket rims) + full LED/HID + turbo front air ducts + Porsche Classic Radio + ???" and I'm only not even breaking the $30k mark.
What else did you do to your car? With that much invested, no wonder you think your C4S is more valuable than a stock C2S, and it probably is; just that there probably aren't any other C4S like yours.

Separately, Tarek does this for a living, so it'd be unwise to disagree.

Gbos1

My car has a full Transmission re-gear to GT specs as well ... worked with G-Box in CO. Full Engine out as well new LSD clutch plates etc...$6k in full exhaust work, Bilstein Suspension list goes on and on... many RS parts throughout the car..... I have a stack of documentation of all my modifications in the last 5 years. Labor isn’t cheap when you want things done right. Who are you to assume what I have when it’s all guesswork on your behalf ... don’t waste your time with your calculator. I could care less who he is.

mdude

I'm annoyed by, and instinctively distrust, a seller who hides the mileage and oblige you to dig down to the pictures and discover that for yourself.
Ludicrous! They know this is what any interested party will immediately inquire.

Blue TTop

I’m not going to argue about what is in the history books regarding Porsche and their parts-bin specials (and they are special). I won’t argue which model of 993 is better because I like them all for different reasons.

I also wouldn’t call a 44.6% increase in hp “slight”.

What’s faster than a 993 turbo? Too many cars to list, especially since 99% of them were built after the 993 turbo. Maybe the fastest thing is your ability to jump to conclusions and misjudge character and intent based on a single post.

Blue TTop

Well said. Articulate. I respect your opinion and don’t disagree. It’s about personal preference.

mdude

Well, with that much $$$, and perhaps more relevant, emotional capital invested in your C4S, no wonder you think it's more valuable. As I said, yours probably is.