Can you accept that the new hybrid was built from a "defensive" perspective ?
06-22-2024, 11:15 PM
#61
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I'm going to make this brief and I'm not going to get sucked in to the vortex of politics or the desire to start something I wish to battle others with: Cars have always been made in a defensive position, so what? Better brakes, gas mileage, better crashworthiness, better traction, lighter weight, stronger materials, airbags, ABS, better ride, better/brighter headlights, seatbelts as standard equipment, and on and on and on. To take the position the new 992.2 is somehow so radically different than automotive predecessors is ridiculously stupid and short-sighted. Besides, if you are of the perception the 992.2 is "defensive" in a manner offensive to you, the remedy is simple: DON'T BUY ONE, 2) don't complain, and 3). don't waste your time and energy defending a position that obviously isn't anywhere near-universal.
06-22-2024, 11:18 PM
#62
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06-22-2024, 11:37 PM
#63
Yes, Bugatti, Ferrari, Lambo, and McLaren are all definitely wrong and only doing things because of evil commies blah blah blah. That’s why the 918, La Ferrari and P1 are all pure ice …
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06-22-2024, 11:51 PM
#64
I'm going to make this brief and I'm not going to get sucked in to the vortex of politics or the desire to start something I wish to battle others with: Cars have always been made in a defensive position, so what? Better brakes, gas mileage, better crashworthiness, better traction, lighter weight, stronger materials, airbags, ABS, better ride, better/brighter headlights, seatbelts as standard equipment, and on and on and on. To take the position the new 992.2 is somehow so radically different than automotive predecessors is ridiculously stupid and short-sighted. Besides, if you are of the perception the 992.2 is "defensive" in a manner offensive to you, the remedy is simple: DON'T BUY ONE, 2) don't complain, and 3). don't waste your time and energy defending a position that obviously isn't anywhere near-universal.
Whining about how a German company that’s beholden to EU regulation isn’t respecting US Politics (whatever you mean by that, although I think we all already know…) just makes you sound daft.
06-22-2024, 11:54 PM
#65
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
already been discussed. Prototype testing took place on the race track and then trickle down into these limited edition supercars. The greatest advertisement of all is watching a hybrid across the finish line-at Le Mans.. the 919 trickled down into the 918 and so on . That PR campaign made way to you and did exactly what it was supposed to do . It convinced you that the hybrid was the solution…
06-22-2024, 11:57 PM
#66
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
I'm going to make this brief and I'm not going to get sucked in to the vortex of politics or the desire to start something I wish to battle others with: Cars have always been made in a defensive position, so what? Better brakes, gas mileage, better crashworthiness, better traction, lighter weight, stronger materials, airbags, ABS, better ride, better/brighter headlights, seatbelts as standard equipment, and on and on and on. To take the position the new 992.2 is somehow so radically different than automotive predecessors is ridiculously stupid and short-sighted. Besides, if you are of the perception the 992.2 is "defensive" in a manner offensive to you, the remedy is simple: DON'T BUY ONE, 2) don't complain, and 3). don't waste your time and energy defending a position that obviously isn't anywhere near-universal.
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06-23-2024, 10:23 AM
#67
Ironically, you were the one who said that the 992.2 is a direct result of “politics”. It was you that first brought politics into the discussion….so once you opened that door, it’s fair game.
LMAO. 😂
First off, the 992.2 is not an EV. At best, it’s a distant cousin to an EV. When they get rid of the 911’s combustion engine, then you can call it an EV. But as it stands, the 992.2 is 95% ICE, with 5% electric (assist). It can’t run on electric, alone. Nor can it be plugged in to be re-charged. The heaviest component in its “electrical” architecture is the battery, at about 103 lbs…coincidentally, about the same weight as a glass sunroof. And sunroofs move the cener of gravity higher up on the car, than a battery.
Secondly, prior governmental mandates that required cars to reduce air pollution, by requiring all cars to have catalytic converters, as just one example, was a political decision that most of the public wanted, but gear heads resisted. Funny how most people want clean drinking water and clean air to breath. Damn libs!! 😎 Government’s responsibility is, or should be, to listen to the will of the people, and take appropriate actions that adhere’s to what the people want. If the people don’t want EV’s, or hybrids, then let the marketplace determine that. As a conservative, you don’t want change, so you won’t be getting the 992.2. Everybody that’s followed this forum has heard your opinions on this topic - ad nauseam. . Nobody cares what you do with your money.
Finally, I would add that the EV sector should be afforded the same level of subsidies, that the oil and gas industry has gotten for the better part of a century. In a little more than a decade, EV’s have already captured a sizable segment of new car sales, and proven they are faster and more efficient than comperable ICE vehicles. Imagine how far ahead EV’s/hybrids would be, today, if Government’s had leveled the playing field by giving this sector a fraction of the trillions of dollars that have gone to the oil and gas industry over the years…an industry, that, by the way, doesn’t need charity/subsidies, as the oil and gas industry continues to set new profit records every stinkin’ year.
So, if you wanna bring politics into the discussion, let’s talk about how the oil and gas industry has the minds and ears of our politicians. My take - maybe if politicians didn’t have their hands out to the oil and gas industry execs, for re-election contributions, the subsidies would end and gas prices might look more like what’s seen in Europe? Maybe why you don’t see many big ****, gas-guzzling trucks and SUV’s in Europe? Point being - the “marketplace” is, or can be, easily manipulated by the political realities…whether that be EV’s or ICE.
It’s one thing to regulate whether cars can stop properly with brakes or have safety measures and it’s quite another to overhaul the entire system from ice into electric. . Apples to oranges…
First off, the 992.2 is not an EV. At best, it’s a distant cousin to an EV. When they get rid of the 911’s combustion engine, then you can call it an EV. But as it stands, the 992.2 is 95% ICE, with 5% electric (assist). It can’t run on electric, alone. Nor can it be plugged in to be re-charged. The heaviest component in its “electrical” architecture is the battery, at about 103 lbs…coincidentally, about the same weight as a glass sunroof. And sunroofs move the cener of gravity higher up on the car, than a battery.
Secondly, prior governmental mandates that required cars to reduce air pollution, by requiring all cars to have catalytic converters, as just one example, was a political decision that most of the public wanted, but gear heads resisted. Funny how most people want clean drinking water and clean air to breath. Damn libs!! 😎 Government’s responsibility is, or should be, to listen to the will of the people, and take appropriate actions that adhere’s to what the people want. If the people don’t want EV’s, or hybrids, then let the marketplace determine that. As a conservative, you don’t want change, so you won’t be getting the 992.2. Everybody that’s followed this forum has heard your opinions on this topic - ad nauseam. . Nobody cares what you do with your money.
Finally, I would add that the EV sector should be afforded the same level of subsidies, that the oil and gas industry has gotten for the better part of a century. In a little more than a decade, EV’s have already captured a sizable segment of new car sales, and proven they are faster and more efficient than comperable ICE vehicles. Imagine how far ahead EV’s/hybrids would be, today, if Government’s had leveled the playing field by giving this sector a fraction of the trillions of dollars that have gone to the oil and gas industry over the years…an industry, that, by the way, doesn’t need charity/subsidies, as the oil and gas industry continues to set new profit records every stinkin’ year.
So, if you wanna bring politics into the discussion, let’s talk about how the oil and gas industry has the minds and ears of our politicians. My take - maybe if politicians didn’t have their hands out to the oil and gas industry execs, for re-election contributions, the subsidies would end and gas prices might look more like what’s seen in Europe? Maybe why you don’t see many big ****, gas-guzzling trucks and SUV’s in Europe? Point being - the “marketplace” is, or can be, easily manipulated by the political realities…whether that be EV’s or ICE.
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06-23-2024, 11:17 AM
#68
^^^^^^The above reminds me of the angry Liberal CA refugees we see in large numbers relocating to FL that are constantly preaching their distain for anything they don't agree with. Life can be good. Why not try starting your day without anger and aggression towards folks who happen not to hate the Big Bad Boogey Man oil companies or Fox News.
06-23-2024, 11:35 AM
#69
^^^^^^The above reminds me of the angry Liberal CA refugees we see in large numbers relocating to FL that are constantly preaching their distain for anything they don't agree with. Life can be good. Why not try starting your day without anger and aggression towards folks who happen not to hate the Big Bad Boogey Man oil companies or Fox News.
As far as Florida’s population rise…sorry, man, but that run was sustained by cheap land/housing prices….not to mention all the trailer homes (#2 in the Country, behind Texas and right above Alabama). But the cheap times are over, and Florida’s population rise has ended…did Fla run out of trailer homes…or perhaps it’s the astronomical prices that Floridians now have to pay for home/car insurance? Or maybe it’s the Florida book banns/buring that had educated people turned off? All topics to be discussed on another thread. Stray tunes?
From the Florida Times -
https://www.jacksonville.com/story/b...n/15975900007/
Trailer home stats -
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...mobile%20homes.
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06-23-2024, 11:48 AM
#70
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
Ironically, you were the one who said that the 992.2 is a direct result of “politics”. It was you that first brought politics into the discussion….so once you opened that door, it’s fair game.
LMAO. 😂
First off, the 992.2 is not an EV. At best, it’s a distant cousin to an EV. When they get rid of the 911’s combustion engine, then you can call it an EV. But as it stands, the 992.2 is 95% ICE, with 5% electric (assist). It can’t run on electric, alone. Nor can it be plugged in to be re-charged. The heaviest component in its “electrical” architecture is the battery, at about 103 lbs…coincidentally, about the same weight as a glass sunroof. And sunroofs move the cener of gravity higher up on the car, than a battery.
Secondly, prior governmental mandates that required cars to reduce air pollution, by requiring all cars to have catalytic converters, as just one example, was a political decision that most of the public wanted, but gear heads resisted. Funny how most people want clean drinking water and clean air to breath. Damn libs!! 😎 Government’s responsibility is, or should be, to listen to the will of the people, and take appropriate actions that adhere’s to what the people want. If the people don’t want EV’s, or hybrids, then let the marketplace determine that. As a conservative, you don’t want change, so you won’t be getting the 992.2. Everybody that’s followed this forum has heard your opinions on this topic - ad nauseam. . Nobody cares what you do with your money.
Finally, I would add that the EV sector should be afforded the same level of subsidies, that the oil and gas industry has gotten for the better part of a century. In a little more than a decade, EV’s have already captured a sizable segment of new car sales, and proven they are faster and more efficient than comperable ICE vehicles. Imagine how far ahead EV’s/hybrids would be, today, if Government’s had leveled the playing field by giving this sector a fraction of the trillions of dollars that have gone to the oil and gas industry over the years…an industry, that, by the way, doesn’t need charity/subsidies, as the oil and gas industry continues to set new profit records every stinkin’ year.
So, if you wanna bring politics into the discussion, let’s talk about how the oil and gas industry has the minds and ears of our politicians. My take - maybe if politicians didn’t have their hands out to the oil and gas industry execs, for re-election contributions, the subsidies would end and gas prices might look more like what’s seen in Europe? Maybe why you don’t see many big ****, gas-guzzling trucks and SUV’s in Europe? Point being - the “marketplace” is, or can be, easily manipulated by the political realities…whether that be EV’s or ICE.
LMAO. 😂
First off, the 992.2 is not an EV. At best, it’s a distant cousin to an EV. When they get rid of the 911’s combustion engine, then you can call it an EV. But as it stands, the 992.2 is 95% ICE, with 5% electric (assist). It can’t run on electric, alone. Nor can it be plugged in to be re-charged. The heaviest component in its “electrical” architecture is the battery, at about 103 lbs…coincidentally, about the same weight as a glass sunroof. And sunroofs move the cener of gravity higher up on the car, than a battery.
Secondly, prior governmental mandates that required cars to reduce air pollution, by requiring all cars to have catalytic converters, as just one example, was a political decision that most of the public wanted, but gear heads resisted. Funny how most people want clean drinking water and clean air to breath. Damn libs!! 😎 Government’s responsibility is, or should be, to listen to the will of the people, and take appropriate actions that adhere’s to what the people want. If the people don’t want EV’s, or hybrids, then let the marketplace determine that. As a conservative, you don’t want change, so you won’t be getting the 992.2. Everybody that’s followed this forum has heard your opinions on this topic - ad nauseam. . Nobody cares what you do with your money.
Finally, I would add that the EV sector should be afforded the same level of subsidies, that the oil and gas industry has gotten for the better part of a century. In a little more than a decade, EV’s have already captured a sizable segment of new car sales, and proven they are faster and more efficient than comperable ICE vehicles. Imagine how far ahead EV’s/hybrids would be, today, if Government’s had leveled the playing field by giving this sector a fraction of the trillions of dollars that have gone to the oil and gas industry over the years…an industry, that, by the way, doesn’t need charity/subsidies, as the oil and gas industry continues to set new profit records every stinkin’ year.
So, if you wanna bring politics into the discussion, let’s talk about how the oil and gas industry has the minds and ears of our politicians. My take - maybe if politicians didn’t have their hands out to the oil and gas industry execs, for re-election contributions, the subsidies would end and gas prices might look more like what’s seen in Europe? Maybe why you don’t see many big ****, gas-guzzling trucks and SUV’s in Europe? Point being - the “marketplace” is, or can be, easily manipulated by the political realities…whether that be EV’s or ICE.
Vision - Porsche Newsroom
Whats coming?
- EV Cayenne
- "Luxury" EV SUV prices ABOVE the Cayenne
- EV Boxster/Cayman
- Mission X, new supercar EV like the Carrera GT, 918 Porsche Mission X
- 911 Hybrid
If so the 992.2 GTS is exactly what they planned .
No meed for you to bring up US politics as Porsche's decisions are European based .
06-23-2024, 11:52 AM
#71
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
^^^^^^The above reminds me of the angry Liberal CA refugees we see in large numbers relocating to FL that are constantly preaching their distain for anything they don't agree with. Life can be good. Why not try starting your day without anger and aggression towards folks who happen not to hate the Big Bad Boogey Man oil companies or Fox News.
Nice try, but as Mulder, from the X-files, use to say, “The truth is out there”…even if some people can’t get their heads out of the sand…
As far as Florida’s population rise…sorry, man, but that run was sustained by cheap land/housing prices….not to mention all the trailer homes (#2 in the Country, behind Texas and right above Alabama). But the cheap times are over, and Florida’s population rise has ended…did Fla run out of trailer homes…or perhaps it’s the astronomical prices that Floridians now have to pay for home/car insurance? Or maybe it’s the Florida book banns/buring that had educated people turned off? All topics to be discussed on another thread. Stray tunes?
From the Florida Times -
https://www.jacksonville.com/story/b...n/15975900007/
Trailer home stats -
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...mobile%20homes.
As far as Florida’s population rise…sorry, man, but that run was sustained by cheap land/housing prices….not to mention all the trailer homes (#2 in the Country, behind Texas and right above Alabama). But the cheap times are over, and Florida’s population rise has ended…did Fla run out of trailer homes…or perhaps it’s the astronomical prices that Floridians now have to pay for home/car insurance? Or maybe it’s the Florida book banns/buring that had educated people turned off? All topics to be discussed on another thread. Stray tunes?
From the Florida Times -
https://www.jacksonville.com/story/b...n/15975900007/
Trailer home stats -
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...mobile%20homes.
06-23-2024, 11:52 AM
#72
Porsche’s decisions are based on geopolitical issues. One policy does not fit all markets.
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06-23-2024, 11:52 AM
#73
Nice try, but as Mulder, from the X-files, use to say, “The truth is out there”…even if some people can’t get their heads out of the sand…
As far as Florida’s population rise…sorry, man, but that run was sustained by cheap land/housing prices….not to mention all the trailer homes (#2 in the Country, behind Texas and right above Alabama). But the cheap times are over, and Florida’s population rise has ended…did Fla run out of trailer homes (subject of another thread):
From the Florida Times -
https://www.jacksonville.com/story/b...n/15975900007/
Trailer home stats -
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...mobile%20homes.
As far as Florida’s population rise…sorry, man, but that run was sustained by cheap land/housing prices….not to mention all the trailer homes (#2 in the Country, behind Texas and right above Alabama). But the cheap times are over, and Florida’s population rise has ended…did Fla run out of trailer homes (subject of another thread):
From the Florida Times -
https://www.jacksonville.com/story/b...n/15975900007/
Trailer home stats -
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...mobile%20homes.
You are actually more entertaining when you bad mouth the forum and talk sheet on its moderators or better yet asking other members who don't swallow your Liberal blather if they "know how to read".
Carry on Man.
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06-23-2024, 11:54 AM
#74
I will..carry on…as ignorance is a terrible thing. Exhibit A: Hunky
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06-23-2024, 11:59 AM
#75
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
…and politicians, as well as CEO’s of car companies, have predicted that EV’s would be dominant by 2030. Just because they say something doesn’t mean it is true, or will happen.
Porsche’s decisions are based on geopolitical issues. One policy does not fit all markets.
Porsche’s decisions are based on geopolitical issues. One policy does not fit all markets.
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