CodyBigdog

Actually, Porsche invested way more than “millions”…not just for the hybrid 992.2, but for Porsche’s move to the electrification of it’;s models:

https://www.porsche.com/usa/aboutpor...ternational-de

PS - Love your comment about the “5 guys on Rennlist that aren’t happy”. 👍

CodyBigdog

Oh, I’m “in the game”. But unlike you, I actually try to observe and objectively evaluate things…before passing judgement. Unlike the 5 amigos on RL.


So far, the take away for me, on the 992.2:

- Faster on the street and on the track. The added weight of the battery was only 103 lbs….so leave off the sunroof to compensate on the track?
- Added complexity that could impact reliability? Maybe? But that’s what warranties are for, no?
- Added cost. Here is where I start to draw the line. I’m not sure i want to participate in Porsche’s continuing price escalations? But that’s my issue.
- Still looks like the 992 that I already have. If I’m going to jump ship from the 992 that I love, I might need a different body style to move me?

What does it sound like at higher rev’s? Is it sweeter sounding than the current 992.1?

Staffie Guy

My guess is the response when you hit the gas of the new GTS will make you an instant fan, and make you forget its shortcomings in design.

Tobeit

Another rather worthless thread - @yrralis1 we get it - you hate EV’s (demonstrated in multiple threads where you ramble on forever) and think it’s all just a huge conspiracy of politicians. Apparently you figured it all out and know more about the future than anybody including the guys who make the car. Got it, move on and contribute something helpful on a car forum. We know you don’t want one, okay, move on and go to a forum where they sell the car you want.

I don’t even have a hybrid or EV and I am pretty impartial to it and love my ICE but
a) the more I read about the GTS the more I am impressed what they did - just spend the time and read and you will see. There is so much more than eturbo and a motor in between PDK and engine. Quite fascinating to read independent if I want one or not and why they did it.
b) All you talk about is climate impact and EV’s but you miss the fact that fossile fuels are limited supply. Google it and there are several reputable estimates but all put us into the about 50year time when fossile fuels are exhausted using current consumption levels. Politicians do what politicians do but the underlying fact, in addition to climate change, is fossile fuel driven engines (not just cars) are on a deadline. Only one way to change it - use less and find alternatives.

Now you will respond with a barrage of more of the same you already told us many times.

yrralis1

They had no choice to invest . It's not just "5 guys on RL " . Porsche sales in North America. is down 23 percent last quarter . https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2024...ter-35776.html

Even globally they are in the red 4 percent

The big seller was Germany if you look at those numbers . Guess what were the biggest sellers in Germany (Spoilerv alert .. Macan and cayenne )
Guess what was the disaster in Germany in 2023 .. Taycan - 4 percent . Here are 2023 numbers (when sales were better ) https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2023...023-33090.html


Even in their own country they cant push this without taking away the pure ICE . This year they canned the ICE Macan in much of Europe (except UK I believe citing Brexit ) . We still get them here is the USA but its handicapped (no revisions , mediocre colors compared the the EV Macan offerings ) . There is a deliberate effort to push EV and despite that ICE Macans are still the top sellers . Some goes for cayenne with the Base and S being the tops here as it faces the end of life .

yrralis1

This isnt a 'conspiracy" . People elected those European politicians . They took their job to task and voted in the mandates . Then the public began to examine it . As the politicians were heading towards carbon neutral supply chain factories and eyeballing agriculture and the farmers it hit them . They began to realize the impact on their economy . So elections took place about two weeks ago and all three (Germany, Italy, and France ) voted them OUT !!!!! What new leadership decides to proceed is yet not determined but they did run on climate change , France already called a meeting last week . These are facts !!

What is most disturbing about this thread is that NOT ONE PERSON debated the points made in that video (post number 1) . Instead it's been one giant ad hominem directed at me or anyone else who tells EV directives to F@@@ off .

None of you had to reply ., It clearly hasn't silenced me . That bothers you .

Hunky

Spot on and right you are.
The European populace has spoken VERY clearly on all the environmental stupidity over there that is destroying the place.
Fortunately for Europe the pendulum is swinging back in the direction of reality and sensibility. The more conservative elected officials now have the daunting task of mopping up the mess that their wind mill and solar panel humpers have made.

user 999993337

@yrralis1 you are just repeating a broken record. We all got your frustration and the hate you have for the regulations and the 992.2 technology.

Tobeit

because your regurgitate your opinion over and over and seem to know better than anybody and talk only about politics and not the merit of the car. Go seek to be elected and change how politics works if that what you want but don’t come to a car forum and clutter your opinion.
Your title of the thread is already telling starting with “can you accept…” - that’s not asking for discussion but trying to force your opinion.

My simple answer is: No. End of discussion.

user 999993337

Spot on.

I am not discouraged by the hybrid system and I have put down a deposit on the 992.2, the car comes with a 4 years warranty and an 8 years warranty on the battery. If I feel that that it has issues I will purchase an additional 2 years warranty, the same as I did with my 991.2 C2S.

yrralis1

The politics built the car. It’s not even USA politics. I think at least you’re beginning to see this wasn’t some sort of conspiracy. you just didn’t follow the car itself through the paces that lead to its birth.

Hunky

If the mild(non plug in) hybrid system does for the 992.2 what it has done for my 2024 BMW M60i vs the M50i or E-Ray vs Stingray then I am all in. Bring it on. Both of those hybrids are awesome performers for sure.

Tobeit

huh? I give up. On multiple occasions in this and other threads you either don’t read what you reply to or don’t understand what is written. What you responded to my post makes absolute no sense.

ipse dixit

My English must be slipping.

I honestly have no idea what you just wrote.

CodyBigdog

Spot on. I WAS going to give a factual response to all his nonsensical points, but then I thought…why waste anymore time. He either doesn’t read, or can’t comprehend the difference between facts, and what he gets from Faux.