yrralis1

Forget about the engine and all the hoopla of the other thread . This discussion points at the entire reason the enormous effort and complicated engine came tk be in the first place .
Can you accept that premise without questioning it ? If not , thats easy , you wont buy the car. You might wait to see what other models arrive in 26 . Some are just holding onto the car they have trying to justify that it's not stagnation . Lets face it , even if you are like me and cant stand the idea of this engine the new car did destroy the old car in every performance category and I take this as though Porsche could have done it WITHOUT a hybrid . It's my opinion that Porsche is charging a lot of money for the cars . They keep raising the price and while some here write that a "75K ADM" is not puke worthy I take a totally different view . I feel that even MSRP pricing if its not perfect I am not buying it . I realized that when I started building poverty spec cars to hedge the loss if I hated it and bailed out . If I loved the car I would have gone forward with a full spec .

Heres the discussion . More people are beginning to get it . Some wil say previous car changes were controversial but not like this . It is repeatedly being questioned.

CodyBigdog

I’ll help you out here:

https://rennlist.com/forums/992/1415...is-better.html

Porsche to yrralis1: “Don’t let the door hit you on the way out”

Time will tell who’s right. The market will determine that, not a bunch of Internet yahoo’s.

yrralis1

Those "internet yahoos" are the paying customers which comprise a portion of the "market" . Those who make it to forums are often repeat buyers too .
It would have been a lot easier for you to say you disagree with the guy or that you are buying one regardless .In short your answer was "yes" to the thread title question ?

Regardless , it is an indisputable fact that Porsche did the engine gymnastics to satisfy politicians.

He did touch upon something long term too. If long term ownership becomes a high cost risk exposure then those cars get traded for new ones . His point was that the only environmentalist metric looked at was emissions rather than the big picture .

Icegrill

God give it a rest.

CodyBigdog

As I said (you can read, right??): The market will determine whether Porsche has chosen wisely? We’ll know more after a full year of sales for the 992.2….although, some buyers might delay, as many of us tend to avoid the first year of most new products.

People can look at the 992.2 and see (believe) what they want…but I don’t look at the 992.2 as any Porsche product that will greatly lower their fleet carbon emissions. The design is such that the battery is too small (103 lbs) to even allow the car to propel itself in all EV mode. It’s just there as a kick in the butt when needed. The real emissions lowering vehicles will go to Porsche’s all electric SUV’s and the Taycan.

Hunky

Good grief. Comparing a 911 to a Prius, YUK.

yrralis1

You already know how the market will play out . There will be those initial "gottahaveit " buyers . Then we see the real market but by then the guy spending 200 K today takes the chance and thats what preliminary discussions are all about . You dont have to participate . For some reason you feel compelled to reply .

Take a loot at Ford . They had all the "gottahaveit" buyers for the Mach E . Then it went DEAD !!!!
They cut the price of the car and still can't get rid of them
.https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...%20%2452%2C395.


Same with GM .. Yeah sure ..
https://www.thecarconnection.com/new...price-by-6-520

Go ahead .. blow 200K and wait for the market to talk to you .

Brad Stinson

All cars are built from a defensive position, heck I’d say all engineering efforts come from a defensive position if you frame it that way. I an an engineer, I design electronics, so I have to be defensive and comply to UL, FCC, NEC, and a host of other rules and regulations, not to mention cost.

We get it, you don’t like it. There are plenty of other cars on the market. Keep your 992.1 or buy something different. Porsche isn’t going to ditch this powertrain after investing millions because 5 guys on rennlist aren’t happy. The car will sell well, it’ll perform well, it may have a few technical bugs for the first model year which will be covered by warranty. Can we move on?

yrralis1

That was in fact the title of Car and Driver's article .https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a6...brid-revealed/

yrralis1

Some RL guys hate dissent . Deal with it .

Larson E. Rapp

It's been a long time -- the early 1970s? -- since car buyers were the primary customers that a car company has to satisfy.

Once you understand that, it saves a lot head-scratching and thread-creating.

CodyBigdog

No, the market has NOT yet spoken about the desirability, or lack thereof, of the 992.2. But even that has two components to it….(1) Will the hybrid aspect of the car help/hurt sales…given its better performance numbers, and (2) Will consumers finally back off from Porshce's inflated pricing of their cars?

As far as what I will do…as I stated in a prior post, I will be one of those people that NEVER buys the first year of a new model. I’m a wait and see kind of guy, and not one of those people that needs the newest shiny thing in the neighborhood.

yrralis1

Agreed , but the level of gymnastics to make this car happen is so drastic that it took years in the making , billions spent , PR needed to be equally as funded , and ultimately it's all foisted on the buyer . So are the long term costs if he buys and holds it . Besides , this car is merely a transition . Porsche isnt done . They are just warming up . The endgame is EV . All those track victory prototypes like 919 and now the latest at Lehmans are advertisements towards that end .

Let's hope they spare the Gt cars and don t hold it to Lambda =1 even if NA . We wil, know in 26.

yrralis1

So you are not even in the game and complaining about dissent. I differ from you . I had a deposit and was slated as number 1 . I withdrew . It was not easy to do and frankly I am disgusted having to do it. I am 66 years old . If I sit out this time , how many more do I have ? Time matters to me but I wont be a chew toy for a car that was built based on the rules of another government than. my own country .

Hunky

Oh yeah and it is laughable indeed when any 911 is compared to a vehicle with stigma and overall "puss owner" image that accompanies the Prius.