Jimmy-D

I do not disagree with this statement

dave2020

reminds me of the transition from air to water cooled.
blasphemy at the time.
now look where we are.

Schn3ll

993’s still selling for over sticker?

Onami

993's moved to over sticker when they were about 20 years old. I bought a 96 Carrera with 10,000 miles in 2008 for $28,000 (MSRP was $68K).

FirstPorscheGT3

Exactly!! Maybe the 992.1s will sell for over MSRP after 25 years. And for anyone that thinks that’s a “great investment”, I don’t know what to say.

nyca

20 years from now, with inflation running like it is and ICE cars being banned - ALL of these 911s will sell for more than was paid for them in absolute dollars. It won't mean that much however, when a pizza is $100.

Schn3ll

What’s different now is the Porsche brand awareness is infinitely different than in the 90’s and early 00’s.

Add in internet, social media, clout culture, etc.

The appreciation/depreciation cycle has been accelerated tremendously from 25 years ago.

Onami

I think that the appreciation cycle was changed due to pandemic related supply chain issues, low interest rates and high inflation. Personally, I don't think it is sustainable.

Diablo Dude

It's interesting to see the air-cooled Carrera's go for such a premium.

I had a 1990 Carrera II brand new for $60,000 and in this day and age it would have come under the LEMON LAW.

The quality control on that car was a joke and at only 250 HP it wasn't all that fast. And as soon as you were 2-weeks removed from having the valves adjusted, it felt like a dog.
High beams went out at 22,000 along with the horn. Oil lines burst. And the flywheel was a very poor design that eventually cracked and spilled a silicon fluid all over the clutch, rendering the clutch useless as you wound up losing one gear at a time to the point that the car became immobile.

Porsche (based in Reno at the time) would not do a recall on any of the '90, '91, and some '92's with this flywheel design issue.
It was done on a case by case basis and they forced me to pony up $995 for a new clutch because it was deemed a "wear" item.

When I first brought this up to a Porsche rep (at the 32,000 mile mark) he accused me of drag-racing and burning up my clutch. Just a horrible experience all the way around.
They changed 83% of the parts of the new Carrera II's compared to the 911 and this is what they came up with. This is when Porsche was down at the bottom of the JD Power Owner's Surveys.
Literally the worst years in the history of Porsche, before the Boxster saved the company's life!

AlfaM5

Any air cooled 911 should be at most a $30k car if quality and road manners are being used as a measure of a car's value. Paying more than a modern 911 for these old ancient VW Bug descendants is nonsense. But such is the world we live in. I've been seeing very low mileage first year Boxsters for sale on Bring a Trailer lately bringing $15-20k. So much car for the price. The fools paying $100-150k for a 964/993 don't know what they're missing. But then again air cooled fans have been paying $200k for old garbage busses for years, regardless of how many windows they have.

Porsche992

You must be super fun at Car meets haha

AlfaM5

Extremely

omaralt

lol i mean he's not wrong.. but i dont think people pay these crazy prices for the older air cooled porsches for performance. its about history and heritage.

Haros

Am I delusional into thinking the 992.2 GTS will be +10% more or should I start applying to a Wendy’s so I can save up the difference?

AlfaM5

I agree about history and heritage but there was a time when enthusiasts bought and maintained old cars and got to drive them without worrying about them as being priceless relics. This was before this recent trend fueled by social media that makes everything a "collectible" and everyone a "collector". My first car in high school, in 1988, was a 1974 911 - bought for $2,300 that I worked on weekends to make it good. Affordable to a high school kid as an every day car. Let me see something like that happen today. There's no reason today why a kid shouldn't be able to get a SC for $10-12k and make it his daily driver. They're just old cars - nothing more. But the social media age changed so many things, among them the car culture. I hardly go to car events anymore. I'd rather just drive my cars rather than be around douche bags talking about their "gated" 911s.