SS22

[QUOTE=TheGeneral;18928937]I’m really happy for you BUT consider that it’s not very impressive getting MSRP on a C4 GTS Cab (less in-demand than C2 GTS) when you got on a waitlist in September of 2021, got your allocation almost a YEAR later in August 2022, had to do European Delivery in April of 2023. I paid minimal ADM, didn’t wait on any list and got one of the most in-demand trims 4 months after I first called and placed my order. Pretty much everyone waiting on lists for over a year get MSRP and the lower demand trims have lower ADM or none at all.

My only point in all of this is that I disagree with you that there’s no negotiating these days. You can negotiate even when there’s ADM, inflation, etc. It’s a good life skill. A good negotiator can pay lower than the going market rate no matter what the market rate is. If the market rate is $20k ADM, and you negotiate $10k ADM, that’s a sign of good negotiation. The sticker price is not necessarily the market rate as we see used 911s selling for their original sticker price.

As @ipse dixit says, you either value your money more or your time.

Anyways, hope you’re enjoying your 911. We are blessed to have these cars!

TheGeneral

It depends on what one wants, right? I’m totally content (ecstatic) about my choice. Great car. Great experience. Trip to Germany, factory tour by another like-minded engineer, paid for 1 night in a hotel and business class flight at a discount - well worth it. For me and my experiences and my age - I value time more than money. I negotiate for a living. I do OK. I can always replace money. I can’t replace time. Yes - we both are blessed! Enjoy!

SS22

Exactly, that’s why I opted to pay a small ADM and get mine in 4 months rather than save and pay MSRP but take almost 2 years to get the actual car. Glad you’ve enjoyed your experience.

Eric11

which dealer?

991.1 Guy

GT4 RS allocation was offered to me for $70k. The MSRP of the car has increased $25k since introduction, so things don't seem much different.

Here4OneKoment

Hello! Economics Masters and Supply Chain MBA here. With all due respect, what he is describing is not price fixing. Price fixing would be when the gov tells the OEM what they can sell a good for on the market, irrespective of the cost of goods sold (COGS) or any overhead/operating margin goals. In his scenario, the OEM would be free to adjust the MSRP to whatever the market will yield, provide rebates to dealerships, etc.. What WE are seeing though is an abuse of the OEMs assessment to enrich the POS folks only (think Ticketmaster), and hold a monopoly on supply. When you hold an monopoly you can speed or slow supply to fabricate demand/scarcity. This abuse takes the form of mandating multi-unit ownership to get an allotment, bait and switch tactics, exorbitant mark-ups with no justification in cost-basis, etc..

I know a lot of folks like to touch themselves while looking at photos of Milton Friedman and think that government oversight is "unamerican", but frankly that's an ignorant and dog-**** view. Excessive gov. involvement is of course bad. But a complete lack thereof leads to the most corrupt economies on the planet......especially in societies where wealth is polarized (the US being the most pronounced example). Forget Porsches.....think food, water, shelter.......rent in Chicago......

Hope this helps you rethink your views. Be sure to kiss your photo of Ronald Reagan, patron saint of "trickle down economics" (the largest failure in economic history) for us. Cheers!

Dream in PTS

What a great first post. Not sure how RL has survived this long without you.

Shambler

Additionally, while Ticketmaster is essentially a monopoly (where else can you go), Porsche is not. The argument can be made that there are many other viable auto options in the market place.
Only we make it a monopoly if we are unwilling to look at the other viable options.

division

chicagomarketing

To update:

I have been offered Carrera 992, T and S variants (including 4S variants), and GTS, all at MSRP. Allocations are gone for 992 models now, but I wanted to update this thread. ADMs are going away.

rockbottom8

And with all the price increases, it pretty much seems to have evened out

High interest rates + inflation leading to MSRP costs going up. Glad that they are going away though...finally.

GT4RSYMPHONY

This is purely regional. Also, how can you have been offered all of these allocations at msrp but they’re all gone?

Shogunade

Wait til the .2s come out. I bet there'll be ADMs on top of the 10-15% price increases.

Crusje

Wow, a guy with 2 Masters degrees. Surely an expert!

SS22

Who has a monopoly over the supply of Porsches? Based on your comparison to Ticketmaster, I assume you’re referring to the DOZENS of dealers (all different business entities competing with one another)? If so, maybe you have a different definition of MONOPOLY than what I learned when getting my economics degree.