Originally Posted by SS22

Of course local markets have different supply and demand and thus different appetites for ADM. I don’t think that means competition isn’t working though. Some folks don’t even shop around maybe because $5k or $10k or whatever ADM isn’t a big deal to them when buying an expensive Porsche while others care but may not have access to multiple dealers within a reasonable distance or may not know to shop around or be good at negotiating, etc. There’s lots of case-by-case variation. As a whole though, there’s competition by and large and a willing consumer can take advantage of it. I’m in the Southern California market where we have a dozen dealers. I called around, got everything from you gotta wait in line for a year because we have a list and no allocations to wanting $30k ADM for a GTS to $15k ADM. In the end, I got a couple dealers who initially offered the lowest ADM and had allocations to beat each other out and I paid minimal ADM for a custom order on an available allocation (my dealer from where I had bought before had no allocation and still wanted a higher ADM from me just to wait for the next round of allocations).

Originally Posted by JRoach

I’ve been watching Porsche inventory for the past few years. At one point the low was 8 new 992’s within 100mi of my location. This was during the supply chain peak. It’s held at 50ish for several months but in the last 90 days it’s jumped to over 120. Dealers have soften their replies regarding ADMs to “there is still an ADM but we can work with you” to no ADM (certain models, like the T or Base). I suppose with the .2 around the corner people are ‘wait and see’.

Originally Posted by BHSAAA

I wish this was true, but I think you know that many of the cars ( and all desirable cars..) shown on the Pcar site are actually spoken for and have orders against them. It’s the same with other brands, as an example you can look for a Z06 convert and find them showing in inventory, but they are all spoken for. Want an F car 296? Roma spider? The suv? - Nope, you are not getting those either unless you have a relationship or adm. In another thread, someone mentioned an available GT3 in Fla. if you act quickly…didn’t mention the $90k adm attached. Now Mclaren’s and Aston’s, those you can have. I am hearing the occasional car pop available when someone’s financing blows up due to higher rates. So keep checking and be prepared to act fast!

Originally Posted by omaralt

The cars that show up on the Porsche finder website are all available for sale, I’ve confirmed multiple times. I’ve noticed that the number of available cars within 500 miles of me has steadily gone up. So definitely more cars becoming available

Originally Posted by soguinness

I can also confirm this is true.

dealers usually have more cars than available on Porsche finder. If someone backs out of a deal and car is available, it doesn’t immediately show up on Porsche finder.

Additionally, I know a guy who got a GT3 touring at msrp. Yes! Recently. They had good relationship with the dealer.

Originally Posted by omaralt

ya cars that show up on the dealers website may or may not be available for sale. But all the cars that show up on the finder website are not spoken for.

Originally Posted by omaralt

The cars that show up on the Porsche finder website are all available for sale, I’ve confirmed multiple times. I’ve noticed that the number of available cars within 500 miles of me has steadily gone up. So definitely more cars becoming available

Originally Posted by Billy Bluejay

100% false. You only need one example to prove false right? I haven’t spun up the Porsche finder in over a year, but in early 2023 I found many many 992 sport classics on Porsche finder that were spoken for when I called. The follow up question I’d get the following day about 50% of the time was

“hey that SC you inquired about, would you be willing to pay all cash 450-485k?? You won’t be able to put a plate on it for a year, but we could probably get you enough paper plates to cover you for the year.”

Originally Posted by soguinness

True. But the opposite is also true. Recently a dealer called me for a GTS at msrp. It is not on the Porsche finder.

Originally Posted by omaralt

So they are available for sale just with a massive markup!

I’ve inquired about a few cars that I’ve found on the finder website and every one of them was available. These are all S or T. Some had markups. Some didn’t. But all were available for sale. I think that if a car has a name attached to it, it doesn’t show up on the website

Originally Posted by double-o-seven

Do you guys know a reasonable dealer's retail offer for pre-paid 2nd and 3rd year maintenance at the time of initial purchase? I'd think that the dealer's net profit margins are at least 50% of retail offer for pre-paid maintenance, so if the 2nd and 3rd year pre-paid maintenance retail offer is $3,000, for example, the actual cost to the dealer may be only $1,500.

Considering that the Carrera T market is softening in recent months, I'm thinking about negotiating a complimentary 2nd and 3rd year maintenance to my dealer's original MSRP offer.

In the hypothetical number example above, I'm effectively asking for a mere $1,500 discount, but would like the convenience of complimentary maintenance at the dealership for 3 years, similar to what BMW offers.

Originally Posted by double-o-seven

Do you guys know a reasonable dealer's retail offer for pre-paid 2nd and 3rd year maintenance at the time of initial purchase? I'd think that the dealer's net profit margins are at least 50% of retail offer for pre-paid maintenance, so if the 2nd and 3rd year pre-paid maintenance retail offer is $3,000, for example, the actual cost to the dealer may be only $1,500.

Considering that the Carrera T market is softening in recent months, I'm thinking about negotiating a complimentary 2nd and 3rd year maintenance to my dealer's original MSRP offer.

In the hypothetical number example above, I'm effectively asking for a mere $1,500 discount, but would like the convenience of complimentary maintenance at the dealership for 3 years, similar to what BMW offers.