ipse dixit

The LWBs just make the car look so damn sexy.

gbakerge

Advice needed: I have a 997 Turbo and would like to upgrade. I am considering ordering a 992 GTS. I have never ordered a new Porsche, so I have a lot to learn. I spoke to my local dealer today and I can "order" one for a $2500 deposit and could expect to take delivery in 9-12 months. I am wondering if this officially gets me on the list, or if it is just a ploy to string me along...how does this really work? Thanks for any help.

shrimp money

I don’t think anything is official until you’re assigned a commission number.

fractionofawhole

If you don't like the visual differences of the GTS, sure, I get it, but beyond that no one has seat time in a GTS to do an actual review with the upgraded suspension, brakes, and power. Nick even opens his video saying how he didn't like the Panamera GTS...until he later got the chance to drive one and experience the performance/mechanical differences, at which point he then loved it. That self-defeating statement is the exact moment you can stop the video and go back to whatever it is you were previously doing.

100% agree. They look amazing and it's obviously a huge (and decently rare) differentiator between other Carrera configurations.

Bluehighways

You said it; "it is just a ploy to string (you) along."

dudeoverthere

Prestige

Matty-B

Are the centre lock wheels such a pain as some are suggesting?

TheGreatJ

I am not sure but could the new option, "illuminated lateral gills", just mean this "fancy" illumination effect that can be seen on this screencap that I took from the promo video..? The two short horizontal lines in the corner lights. I noticed that there was something different the first time I watched it. I have not noticed any other Porsche rear lights do that (I have myself the "tinted" Exclusive Design lights and used to have the regular red ones).. I may be just blind though...

hinckley

I'm an owner of a 991.1 GTS. I had a C2S on order when the 991 was introduced and immediately switched to the GTS. I love the car. It was a great parts-bin value and there's nothing wrong with that. But I have to say that I'm a bit underwhelmed by the 992 GTS. It's the same parts-bin value formula (although not as good a value as the 991 imo) but I was somehow expecting something more this time around after the Panny, Cayenne and especially 718 GTSes. Instead, we got the same-old same-old. Nothing wrong with that I guess, but nothing great about it either. As Nick said . . . a missed opportunity.

hinckley

Only if you want to remove them. Then you need specialized tools and knowledge. I have them. I love the looks. I'd NEVER attempt to remove them myself.

hinckley

I don't think that's it. I think that what's illuminated are the three angled vertical lines on the outer edge of the light modules.

mdrobc1213

Only for a bare bones GTS car....optioned out in comparision with most wanted/desired options it seems like most are getting price deltas in the $8-12k+ range! So the savings comment is interesting as many have not seen it. Less price delta depending on how one values things but the GTS seems to be more for less differences between the S as the gap between the two cars has been narrowed significantly due to certain things the 992 just brings to the table that the 991 cars did not.
Right attitude but not what most dealers will count on for these GTS sales and will see as customer's validate that hypothesis that wants over rule needs and common sense and comparisons. I once had a SA try to tell me I need to get a Turbo next...no didn't need to get one my C2S was just fine and lucky for me didn't WANT one given the opportunity cost comparisons! LOL
Thus the issue and rub...how to get one at a reasonable price point and time frame and also does it make sense optioned out given what the difference between car models are? For some it will others not some much.
You're lucky no ADM...most across the US seem to already be seeing that for select 992 models (Targa Heritage most common I hear) and definitely for GT3's, Turbos (also) and now the GTS too!
Yep which was the Porsche plan all along...some things sell more on word or mouth and prev reputation than what's actually in the box!
Bingo brother...me too. From the stories on here, to convos with friends and fellow owners and even the occasional discussion with my SA; things have gotten bananas...sort of like the current housing market and a few others where folks are paying significant amounts of $$ for things that they cannot explain why its justified other than that is the cost and without it they would be without. Not value or anything else just grossly inflated prices. Lumber perfect example was up what 400% yet it was STILL the same product used prior to COVID19 to build your house or garage or whatever just became a coveted item and market began charging insane prices for it and then limits on builders and everyone else appeared along with price increases passed along. Deep down...it was the same lumber from the same tree guys...nothing made it more special or longer lasting...just cost a hellava lot more and folks were willing to pay for it at those prices. Buddy of mine is building a house in Austin and was so glad prices were dropping back into normal levels as he'd asked many times his builder/contractor why the cost of his house (aka lumber) was up like almost 40% and outside of the lack of supply (not much) and the increased market price he said they guy couldn't...just said that is what it was! SMDH. GTS and ADM=same! LOL
Or reverse still harder as allocation issue is NOT the number of models but more due to supply side issues as well as COVID19 related manpower and operations problems affecting global demand. With COVID19 Delta variant now increasing in many place and few other transportation related issues I think it will be early-mid 2022 until we see easing of this and by that time I think the US alone is predicting a six figure shortage of production of cars over previous years. That combo I think will make it harder to get at GTS allocation along with significant (and I'd say inflated ADMs) and likely continued difficulty with other models.
Very likely drop in I think if Porsche follows form from past.
Watching closely to do the same.
Yep that is my plan...did the same for my 2014 Cayman S manual...dropped in a Cayman GT4 one and it was like magic!
LOL
True...at this point I seriously think for daily driving on US roads for the most part ANY 992 will exceed most driver's experience and talent if pushed and far surpass most of their neighboring drivers cars and talent they share the roads with. So at this point with regards to the performance discussion anytime I hear "its so much more HP" argument as a reason to get the 992 GTS or Turbo/Turbo S or even the 992 my question to the driver is "where will they be using all that power? Why? How? Cause the car is plenty quick as a base model that I test drove...only reason honestly to bump up to the 992S like I did was the manual! Porsche wouldn't let me have the base in a stick but the price delta for a similarly options base was still about $8-10k which IS a lot of money for the most part. No trust funds here! LOL. I've seen some 992S optioned past $170k and wondered WTF..its a Sports car not a Panamera but to each his own and again that is Porsche's AG's marketing genius as some will pay more than they should for options they NEVER use cause others say they should or for resale/residual value...incorrectly and erroneously. Dealers will win also in this market as most will get ADMs for these GTS's and somewhere will find a "buyer" willing to fork over cash for value whether real or perceived IMHO.
Looks the bizness though..color wise Outside the wheels and badging hard to tell it from a regular 992S or even base 992 car with the widebody change especially.
Really does not...given the now narrowed difference between the two cars, the very likely appearance of ADMs to even get one, the COVID19 delays....can't see it. I like the short shifter but hell I'll just order it and have my dealer install it like I did with my 2014 Cayman S....bought the Cayman GTS/GT4 shifter and it was swap and shift easy. Other aesthetic bits if I want if fit just need a part number. But otherwise the proposition and items you BIGWORM and a few others mention make this car an interesting proposition IF you already have a 992S or even if you were in the market depending on what your shopping criteria and budget are. My 2 cents.
That is what I did....got my CS when I did at a price that made sense. Optioned how I like. I think many who are optioning the GTS now that the configurator is out are finding that a similarly spec'd C2S is running about $7-10k below a GTS equipped the same. Those who lose their minds on options (most not needed) find the difference to be even more! Add in the very likely ADMs (have already heard two friends quote ADM's of $5k and $15k respectively) from their SA's to get on the list NOT a car but a chance to be offered one in what they are saying is 8-12 mos given the line which is past a dozen deep and current COVID19 issues which are still affecting the production lines and delivery delays! So let me get this right...$10k difference on average for a car that has LESS differences than the 992S than previously AND another $15-15K just to get the car IF I am luckly and I'll see it maybe by Summer 2022....yeah Porsche are marketing geniuses! Agree with you TrackJunke...no thanks.
Nice but problem in the US will likely be ADM and finding a dealer who will sell you a car with that $2k delta is gonna be difficult along with waiting lists for those who have not fully analyzed the differences in the two models and also their needs and driving styles and economics of the purchase/acquisition of the car. Most 911's have performance way past what any of us need or can utilize so at some point it just becomes wants, ego/bragging rights and to some degree a higher resale value.
Agree 3rdpedal...lots of things some do not want that the GTS has and is part of the selling point of the car from Porsche to the GTS faithful. Likely owners are target audience of those who've had one before and those who always wanted one or those who got the S or base instead. That makes sense for the previous car given differences between base and S and GTS...now not so sure given the differences have narrowed as you suggest. Add to it some of those things can be added aftermarket from dealerships parts dept easily albeit some less costly when done at the factory.
Bingo...see post below and my analysis as a 996, 997.1, 997.2, 991 prior owner and current 992 owner.
Yes the GTS seems to have previously been that the value proposition from parts and looks as you got the wide body, the parts, and special look as well as GTS badging and extra $$ that folks were willing to pay for it. Now not so...I think vs what the S is not the real step up has converted to the Turbo and Turbo S in terms of performance and without the wide body difference between the GTS and S now for the most part the parts upgrades are seats, and some HP. Other parts can likely be put on an S given the part numbers (lights+interior bit+sport design) for a good part of the GTS experience in the 992. The extra HP is what 30hp or so...torque likely a slight bump but again more than ANY of us can use on the streets at legal speeds....that is the real thing here for all those fawning over the HP difference as a reason to upgrade or swap over outside of the "GTS" name and value proposition on sell/trade...the hp is likely something none of us outside of track junkies or professional drivers can tell or utilize so what does that make the GTS upgrade wise? I think a bit less than previously....targeted towards a specific buyer component but one that if you do a side by side comparison shrinks considerably w.992 models when you compare MUST have feature differences and price points. ADM also will play a HUGE factor for likely the majority of those in the current GTS market..making the advantage of getting one even less IMHO.
For once Nick got it mostly right I think. Sometimes he doesn't but always entertaining.
Yep without a commision number followed by said deposit all you did was give the dealership some interest free working capital/loan. No commission number=no car as far as Porsche AG is concerned.
Which is why quite a few owners decide to swap them out for 5 lugs in previous models. Too much of an issue for a car that was driven more than just one or two weekends a year. Friend of mine had one 991.1 and tried to daily drive the car in an area of not too great roads and said that was a huge mistake. Fear of tire damage and the requisite trip to the nearest dealership got him stranded more than once. So he paid the price to swap them back to 5 lugs which he said made maintenance and emergency service much easier and left centerlocks for the track junkies.

TheGreatJ

Could be and that's what I thought too at first... But what are these two small red lines then? They don't exist in other 992 Porsche models, even if they have the "same" lights as the GTS... Who knows...Would be just too coincidental and I don't believe in such things when it comes to Porsche marketing.. One thing that's is sure is that we'll find out when the first GTSs start rolling out...

Ksdaoski

Has it been confirmed there are different or larger turbos like in the 991.2 series? Or same hardware and different tune?

rk-d

Everyone is assuming you can’t get a GTS without an ADM. In certain markets, I’m sure that it’s unavoidable but I suspect that many (most?) people will be able to get a GTS without an ADM, and not just VIPs.

Historically, you could get a GTS with a discount, albeit less a discount than a C2S. Clearly we’re not back to that as the norm, but getting a GTS at sticker shouldn’t be an impossible dream.