992 GTS Discussion
#287
Instructor
Mate, never say never... apparently, Porsches (and particularly 911s) are habit forming and just one tankful short of requiring a "warning: addictive substance" label on them. Good luck with your purchase - I bet whatever you decide on, it'll leave you with a smile plastered on your face every time you get behind the wheel.
Last edited by ron4sc; 03-01-2022 at 10:59 AM.
The following users liked this post:
P0RKY (03-01-2022)
#290
Other than being addictive Rolex shares one other attribute with Porsche, that is the most desirable models are impossible to get. You maybe safe. 😀 I remember when my local Rolex dealer would call and say I’ve got this Sub, Daytona etc coming in do you want it? How things have changed.
#291
Instructor
Other than being addictive Rolex shares one other attribute with Porsche, that is the most desirable models are impossible to get. You maybe safe. 😀 I remember when my local Rolex dealer would call and say I’ve got this Sub, Daytona etc coming in do you want it? How things have changed.
The following users liked this post:
P0RKY (03-02-2022)
#292
Tag Heuer Carrera Porsche
Not surprisingly, it's out of stock ... just like the Porsches.
The following users liked this post:
Mark S (05-14-2022)
#293
Pro
I sat on the fence for a bit before I finally committed to my build - just thought I'd share my perspective, pit falls & ultimately, how I came to my decision. There's no one size fits all, and what works for one will definitely not fit another, so please, no brickbats or hate or name calling. Just sharing.
These will be the first Porsches in my stable. The Cayenne was an easy build and decision, and I lost absolutely no sleep on it. Mainly because it was for Her Majesty, She Who Must Be Obeyed, For Whom the Toilet Seat will be returned to Its Original Position. It'll be her daily driver. Done & dusted in ½h after a good chat with a very friendly Sales Agent and a test drive with the wife & twins in the back. Easiest $170,000 the Sales Agent ever made (his words, not mine).
The 992 was one I flipped and flopped over and over.
I thought I'd start with a budget of $300,000 (damn the taxes in Australia) - which would get me a nicely loaded base Carrera 2, with all the bells and whistles. I rationalized that even the base Carrera would be more car than I would ever had the testicular fortitude to manhandle on public roads. That build came up to $304,819 - bang on budget. What a great start. I then started to worry that I would suffer from S envy, and despite never having given a flying f*ck to the opinions of people that don't matter one bit to me, I didn't want to be saddled with a purchase that would translate to a bad case of buyer's regret.
So, I upgraded my sights to the Carrera 2. And I initially thought I'd try to keep to the planned budget, which meant I'd take away some of the accoutrements that I'd spec'ed in the Carrera 2. Instead of Club Leather, I went with the interior full leather option. I contemplated removing the Adaptive Cruise Control (I decided to include them ultimately), saying to myself that the C2S would be a weekend driver, but I had to leave the Front Axle option intact, as Sydney's roads are beyond redemption in certain parts. That build came up to a whisker of that of the base Carrera: $338,314, not something that we didn't plan for - and thus I thought was where the story ended.
Until that itch that needed scratching happened again. This time, no thanks to the steady stream of venom and poison that was being IV'ed into my veins by the well-meaning folks on these esteemed forum pages. I caved in and gave a call to my agent to void my Carrera S order and put in a new one for the GTS. With the Tequipment Martini Livery (I like it, and felt that it wouldn't be too out of place on a GTS, where it might be a touch try hard for the base or S) - and I even bought the keyfob covers depicting the same from eBay. When the dust settled, the bill came up to $364,302 + $1884 for the Martini "go-faster" stickers = $366,186
Was there anything wrong with the base Carrera? Or even the Carrera S? Absolutely not. I've test driven both, back to back - and frankly, I can't tell one from the other (both were PDK-equipped), and at my age, I was never going to be baited to make a run at the traffic lights by a ricer in his pimped out S2000, or whatever the flavour is these days. Ultimately, it was down to what felt good to me, how big the smile on my face was - and how long it lasted - and whether I had the wallet-size big enough for my vehicular appetite (hey, money doesn't grow on trees).
Will I stop losing sleep over my decision? I honestly don't know. What I do know is that I'm not inclined towards getting my coccyx jackhammered by the track-biased set up of a GT3, so that's one itch I won't be scratching. The Turbo/Turbo S might be a Nullarbor annihilating cruise missile, but those babies will also rip a hole in my wallet bigger than I can swallow without choking. So, to quote a proverb, "beggars can't be choosers", but to put things into perspective, it's a happy First World Problem to chew on... and for now, I'm feeling quite chuffed with myself, despite being some $60,000 over budget.
Thanks for letting me share.
These will be the first Porsches in my stable. The Cayenne was an easy build and decision, and I lost absolutely no sleep on it. Mainly because it was for Her Majesty, She Who Must Be Obeyed, For Whom the Toilet Seat will be returned to Its Original Position. It'll be her daily driver. Done & dusted in ½h after a good chat with a very friendly Sales Agent and a test drive with the wife & twins in the back. Easiest $170,000 the Sales Agent ever made (his words, not mine).
The 992 was one I flipped and flopped over and over.
I thought I'd start with a budget of $300,000 (damn the taxes in Australia) - which would get me a nicely loaded base Carrera 2, with all the bells and whistles. I rationalized that even the base Carrera would be more car than I would ever had the testicular fortitude to manhandle on public roads. That build came up to $304,819 - bang on budget. What a great start. I then started to worry that I would suffer from S envy, and despite never having given a flying f*ck to the opinions of people that don't matter one bit to me, I didn't want to be saddled with a purchase that would translate to a bad case of buyer's regret.
So, I upgraded my sights to the Carrera 2. And I initially thought I'd try to keep to the planned budget, which meant I'd take away some of the accoutrements that I'd spec'ed in the Carrera 2. Instead of Club Leather, I went with the interior full leather option. I contemplated removing the Adaptive Cruise Control (I decided to include them ultimately), saying to myself that the C2S would be a weekend driver, but I had to leave the Front Axle option intact, as Sydney's roads are beyond redemption in certain parts. That build came up to a whisker of that of the base Carrera: $338,314, not something that we didn't plan for - and thus I thought was where the story ended.
Until that itch that needed scratching happened again. This time, no thanks to the steady stream of venom and poison that was being IV'ed into my veins by the well-meaning folks on these esteemed forum pages. I caved in and gave a call to my agent to void my Carrera S order and put in a new one for the GTS. With the Tequipment Martini Livery (I like it, and felt that it wouldn't be too out of place on a GTS, where it might be a touch try hard for the base or S) - and I even bought the keyfob covers depicting the same from eBay. When the dust settled, the bill came up to $364,302 + $1884 for the Martini "go-faster" stickers = $366,186
Was there anything wrong with the base Carrera? Or even the Carrera S? Absolutely not. I've test driven both, back to back - and frankly, I can't tell one from the other (both were PDK-equipped), and at my age, I was never going to be baited to make a run at the traffic lights by a ricer in his pimped out S2000, or whatever the flavour is these days. Ultimately, it was down to what felt good to me, how big the smile on my face was - and how long it lasted - and whether I had the wallet-size big enough for my vehicular appetite (hey, money doesn't grow on trees).
Will I stop losing sleep over my decision? I honestly don't know. What I do know is that I'm not inclined towards getting my coccyx jackhammered by the track-biased set up of a GT3, so that's one itch I won't be scratching. The Turbo/Turbo S might be a Nullarbor annihilating cruise missile, but those babies will also rip a hole in my wallet bigger than I can swallow without choking. So, to quote a proverb, "beggars can't be choosers", but to put things into perspective, it's a happy First World Problem to chew on... and for now, I'm feeling quite chuffed with myself, despite being some $60,000 over budget.
Thanks for letting me share.
The following 2 users liked this post by Spiffx:
SAlexander (06-13-2022),
Schwarz992C4S (05-15-2022)
#294
Pro
I feel you might be overthinking this.
#295
Rennlist Member
#296
i watched the YouTube video on your second screenshot. The guy who did the video also conducted the same analyses and posted videos for all 911s. After “investing” all that time doing all the analyses he concluded that the GTS shows the lowest depreciation of the 911s (which he mentions a few times on that video). I didn’t watch all his other videos, and I don’t feel I need to watch them. I also didn’t spend enough time to fully understand his graphs and analyses. I’m comfortable trusting his conclusion and the many posts I’ve read here confirming that the GTS has lower depreciation.
I feel you might be overthinking this.
I feel you might be overthinking this.
I suspect that any “depreciation” numbers quoted today, are based on used car numbers from 3-5 years ago. I don’t think they are relevant in today’s super-heated market, regardless of model. The trends may be the same…maybe? But as prices continue to skyrocket, what people are willing to pay for used cars costing more than what many of us paid just a year or two ago, may soften demand? time will tell?
Case in point - Many of us that bought our 911’s in 2020 or 2021, got between 4%-7% discount off the MSRP. We did NOT have to pay more than asking price (that some dealerships require, today), and in fact, usually paid significantly less. Just a few weeks ago, my SA called me up and offered to buy my 2021 992S for $30K over the MSRP (not the discounted price he gave me). I took delivery a year ago this month, and now have about 4K miles on the car.
So, what’s the “depreciation” in the first year? Hell if I know?
We live in crazy times.
My advice - If you can find the car you want at a price you can afford, then get it…and don’t worry about future depreciation…because those numbers could be misleading.
Last edited by CodyBigdog; 05-14-2022 at 04:27 PM.
The following users liked this post:
Spiffx (05-15-2022)
The following 4 users liked this post by porsche1234:
#298
Shaking my head... you can make this argument with every version of the 911. You could order a lightly optioned anything for less money than the model below it with lots of options. The GTS isn't for the majority of 911 owners, it's for the people who want better handling, lighter weight and more enthusiast options. The '18 way seats, Burmeister, cruise control and go half throttle for 5 seconds and call it a day crowd' are not intended for the GTS. I could also be 'that guy' and say you can just tune a 992 GTS to make over 600 HP. (that's what the Carrera S guys say they will do to not buy the GTS)
The following 2 users liked this post by porsche1234:
porscheprestige (06-10-2022),
SAlexander (06-13-2022)
#299
Rennlist Member
Dealer in central Illinois recently had ADM of $125,000 “Market Adjustment” on GT3 on the floor….Yikes
#300
Okay it tells you GTS costs $143/1000 miles more than the S. If you care about the extra $143 /1000, the $957/1000 miles on the S must be killing you. $957!!!
Btw, given where the economy is heading, I don’t know how these historical data points can tell you anything about the next few years.
The following users liked this post:
blackmist27 (11-05-2022)