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06-12-2023, 12:08 PM
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well that is fantastic that you get to drive - legally- at speeds well above 150 mph regularly. But here in the states - you will get ticketed for traveling faster than around 10 mph above the speed limit. And the highest speed posted on U.S. highways is around 75 mph. I don’t recall 80 mph but that might exist somewhere in rural areas. Anything over 85 gets you a ticket costing hundreds of dollars but could also result in a huge increase in your car insurance. If you own five Porsches and a C8 Corvette - getting a ticket could cost you thousands of dollars a year for many years. Getting pulled over above 100 mph??? You could end up in jail and being cited for “reckless driving” and that ticket could result in a huge fine and your insurance company could even cancel your policies and any new policies will carry potentially a huge increase in premiums.
the dyno info provided surfinjeff tells the true story - between base T engine and the S - 10 hp difference for $20,000?
If you want to hear and feel real power my 2023 Corvette C8 hardtop convertible - with every option available is a fantastic bargain- mine cost $102,500. I ordered it to my specs and it was in my driveway six weeks later at msrp. Naturally aspirated v8 - with front double wishbone suspension ( used to justify the $250,000 paid for a GT3) and Bose stereo is standard, electric steering column standard, heads up display, two trunks, mid engine, full leather and race-Tex everywhere in the cabin, power seats- standard. Memory buttons for both seats not just the passenger seat. Electric mirrors - standard, forward recording camera system — standard. Every car comes with Michelin tires, and a wing - standard - and sound and suspension, steering stiffness, brake feel, anti skid, all on sliding controls to provide an endless range of control and the same hp as a GT3 - 500 and more torque. I own five Porsche sports cars and I love the brand but I begrudgingly had to conclude the C8 corvette is an amazing bargain compared to even the high end Porsche models. If I had to only keep one car - It would be the Corvette. It has the best features of my Targa, my 718 GTS, and my 911T and my GT3 all combined. GM will build 30,000 C8 Corvettes in a year and Porsche something like 5,000 911’s. And oil changes are $175 instead of $700. But the Vette does not offer a manual trans.
the dyno info provided surfinjeff tells the true story - between base T engine and the S - 10 hp difference for $20,000?
If you want to hear and feel real power my 2023 Corvette C8 hardtop convertible - with every option available is a fantastic bargain- mine cost $102,500. I ordered it to my specs and it was in my driveway six weeks later at msrp. Naturally aspirated v8 - with front double wishbone suspension ( used to justify the $250,000 paid for a GT3) and Bose stereo is standard, electric steering column standard, heads up display, two trunks, mid engine, full leather and race-Tex everywhere in the cabin, power seats- standard. Memory buttons for both seats not just the passenger seat. Electric mirrors - standard, forward recording camera system — standard. Every car comes with Michelin tires, and a wing - standard - and sound and suspension, steering stiffness, brake feel, anti skid, all on sliding controls to provide an endless range of control and the same hp as a GT3 - 500 and more torque. I own five Porsche sports cars and I love the brand but I begrudgingly had to conclude the C8 corvette is an amazing bargain compared to even the high end Porsche models. If I had to only keep one car - It would be the Corvette. It has the best features of my Targa, my 718 GTS, and my 911T and my GT3 all combined. GM will build 30,000 C8 Corvettes in a year and Porsche something like 5,000 911’s. And oil changes are $175 instead of $700. But the Vette does not offer a manual trans.
One thing about your post that we all need to clarify as I've seen a few others repost it incorrectly. The base and S power difference is not 10 hp. Those dyno charts were taken out of context and he unknowingly claimed a tuned base vs a stock S as 10 hp difference.
The biggest takeaway from those dyno charts based on WHP is that they all make more power than advertised from Porsche. WHP was 358 for the T vs 425 for the S. That's a big difference. And at 4000 rpm, the T is at 250hp vs the S at 300hp.
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06-12-2023, 12:31 PM
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It sure seems that way to me having put 3200 miles on my T in 5 weeks. Two days of high speed driving at the Glen convinced me no more hp is needed-more skills are, that and a diet. I had my 650i Gran Coupe flash tuned taking the hp up to 556, that a lot and made me realize I don't really need that much power or to tune my T.
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06-12-2023, 12:42 PM
well that is fantastic that you get to drive - legally- at speeds well above 150 mph regularly. But here in the states - you will get ticketed for traveling faster than around 10 mph above the speed limit. And the highest speed posted on U.S. highways is around 75 mph. I don’t recall 80 mph but that might exist somewhere in rural areas. Anything over 85 gets you a ticket costing hundreds of dollars but could also result in a huge increase in your car insurance. If you own five Porsches and a C8 Corvette - getting a ticket could cost you thousands of dollars a year for many years. Getting pulled over above 100 mph??? You could end up in jail and being cited for “reckless driving” and that ticket could result in a huge fine and your insurance company could even cancel your policies and any new policies will carry potentially a huge increase in premiums.
the dyno info provided surfinjeff tells the true story - between base T engine and the S - 10 hp difference for $20,000?
If you want to hear and feel real power my 2023 Corvette C8 hardtop convertible - with every option available is a fantastic bargain- mine cost $102,500. I ordered it to my specs and it was in my driveway six weeks later at msrp. Naturally aspirated v8 - with front double wishbone suspension ( used to justify the $250,000 paid for a GT3) and Bose stereo is standard, electric steering column standard, heads up display, two trunks, mid engine, full leather and race-Tex everywhere in the cabin, power seats- standard. Memory buttons for both seats not just the passenger seat. Electric mirrors - standard, forward recording camera system — standard. Every car comes with Michelin tires, and a wing - standard - and sound and suspension, steering stiffness, brake feel, anti skid, all on sliding controls to provide an endless range of control and the same hp as a GT3 - 500 and more torque. I own five Porsche sports cars and I love the brand but I begrudgingly had to conclude the C8 corvette is an amazing bargain compared to even the high end Porsche models. If I had to only keep one car - It would be the Corvette. It has the best features of my Targa, my 718 GTS, and my 911T and my GT3 all combined. GM will build 30,000 C8 Corvettes in a year and Porsche something like 5,000 911’s. And oil changes are $175 instead of $700. But the Vette does not offer a manual trans.
the dyno info provided surfinjeff tells the true story - between base T engine and the S - 10 hp difference for $20,000?
If you want to hear and feel real power my 2023 Corvette C8 hardtop convertible - with every option available is a fantastic bargain- mine cost $102,500. I ordered it to my specs and it was in my driveway six weeks later at msrp. Naturally aspirated v8 - with front double wishbone suspension ( used to justify the $250,000 paid for a GT3) and Bose stereo is standard, electric steering column standard, heads up display, two trunks, mid engine, full leather and race-Tex everywhere in the cabin, power seats- standard. Memory buttons for both seats not just the passenger seat. Electric mirrors - standard, forward recording camera system — standard. Every car comes with Michelin tires, and a wing - standard - and sound and suspension, steering stiffness, brake feel, anti skid, all on sliding controls to provide an endless range of control and the same hp as a GT3 - 500 and more torque. I own five Porsche sports cars and I love the brand but I begrudgingly had to conclude the C8 corvette is an amazing bargain compared to even the high end Porsche models. If I had to only keep one car - It would be the Corvette. It has the best features of my Targa, my 718 GTS, and my 911T and my GT3 all combined. GM will build 30,000 C8 Corvettes in a year and Porsche something like 5,000 911’s. And oil changes are $175 instead of $700. But the Vette does not offer a manual trans.
As for your comparison Vette vs 911... Yes it's a cheaper sports car, and from a straight value comparison, arguably it's a better value. If that's the only deciding factor...
For me though - I wouldn't get the Corvette, and especially not a C8. Besides the fact that I just generally prefer European sports cars over American ones - I also do not like the look of the C8 (and I think the C7 looks like a Ferrari knock off). So yeah, I could save $30k by buying a C8 over the T, and gotten a lot more for my money with the C8 than I'm getting with the T.... But at the end of the day - I don't like the C8. When I look at the C8, it doesn't excite me, especially not like a 911 or an F Type Jag does. And that's without sitting in a C8. If the C8 is built like a Chevy - there's a pretty good chance that when I sit in one I'm not going to be thrilled with the interior either - but that's an assumption because I haven't liked GM's interiors for at least the past 15 years.
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06-12-2023, 01:09 PM
Man. All I've gotten from my dealer is a few knock-off Porsche keychains. Not even the OEM ones like you have pictured there! Maybe that'll change once my car is delivered.
06-12-2023, 01:11 PM
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06-12-2023, 02:48 PM
SA promised me no ADM / nothing else from day 1. I spoke with over 10 dealers in my area, NYC. Most were pretty cocky and dissed me as a first time Porsche buyer. All wanted ADM or buy services. Then, finally found one where we just talked cars and car industry for a long time and connected. Solid and knowledgeable fella. He surprised me with all those gifts on delivery day. Had similar experiences with PPF wrapper, audio specialist, etc. Took a bit of searching but found folks I can be down with. 
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06-12-2023, 03:09 PM
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It sure seems that way to me having put 3200 miles on my T in 5 weeks. Two days of high speed driving at the Glen convinced me no more hp is needed-more skills are, that and a diet. I had my 650i Gran Coupe flash tuned taking the hp up to 556, that a lot and made me realize I don't really need that much power or to tune my T.
Proper enthusiast driving! I can’t wait to get my butt into my 992T!
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06-12-2023, 05:05 PM
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I'm for it to keep a car spicy, interesting, and fresh over time. One of the great things about forced induction is the simple options to add a ton of power. I won't be doing any performance mods to my T when it arrives - for at least 6 months I plan to enjoy it as delivered. For prior cars I've had a similar approach and found they didn't need anything after 6 months. B8.5 Audi S4, F85 X5M, F80 M3. I guess that's one of the reasons I ruled out the S and GTS once the T was announced. I think the T will be plenty of power for my needs.
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06-12-2023, 05:56 PM
Burning Brakes
PORSCHE 911 CARRERA T!
Yet another mag review suggests its the pick of the bunch value wise...
https://carbuzz.com/cars/porsche/911-carrera#review
Yet another mag review suggests its the pick of the bunch value wise...
https://carbuzz.com/cars/porsche/911-carrera#review
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06-12-2023, 06:37 PM
06-12-2023, 06:48 PM
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There are several toll roads in Texas outside Austin that have 85 mph speed limits. I think several states are up to 75 mph, but most states are stuck on 70 mph. And Virginia and NY State are 55 mph in just about any quasi-urban area.
QUOTE=Radiationman;18853326]If I remember correctly I-80 in Nevada has an 80 MPH speed limit, but I could be wrong it's been about 13 years since I last drove it.
As for your comparison Vette vs 911... Yes it's a cheaper sports car, and from a straight value comparison, arguably it's a better value. If that's the only deciding factor...
For me though - I wouldn't get the Corvette, and especially not a C8. Besides the fact that I just generally prefer European sports cars over American ones - I also do not like the look of the C8 (and I think the C7 looks like a Ferrari knock off). So yeah, I could save $30k by buying a C8 over the T, and gotten a lot more for my money with the C8 than I'm getting with the T.... But at the end of the day - I don't like the C8. When I look at the C8, it doesn't excite me, especially not like a 911 or an F Type Jag does. And that's without sitting in a C8. If the C8 is built like a Chevy - there's a pretty good chance that when I sit in one I'm not going to be thrilled with the interior either - but that's an assumption because I haven't liked GM's interiors for at least the past 15 years.[/QUOTE]
QUOTE=Radiationman;18853326]If I remember correctly I-80 in Nevada has an 80 MPH speed limit, but I could be wrong it's been about 13 years since I last drove it.
As for your comparison Vette vs 911... Yes it's a cheaper sports car, and from a straight value comparison, arguably it's a better value. If that's the only deciding factor...
For me though - I wouldn't get the Corvette, and especially not a C8. Besides the fact that I just generally prefer European sports cars over American ones - I also do not like the look of the C8 (and I think the C7 looks like a Ferrari knock off). So yeah, I could save $30k by buying a C8 over the T, and gotten a lot more for my money with the C8 than I'm getting with the T.... But at the end of the day - I don't like the C8. When I look at the C8, it doesn't excite me, especially not like a 911 or an F Type Jag does. And that's without sitting in a C8. If the C8 is built like a Chevy - there's a pretty good chance that when I sit in one I'm not going to be thrilled with the interior either - but that's an assumption because I haven't liked GM's interiors for at least the past 15 years.[/QUOTE]
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Scott P (06-12-2023)
06-12-2023, 06:56 PM
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@ECNJ you hit the jackpot, unless you had ADM. got zilch-0 this time, but first CPO had the keychain x2 at least. #beancounters
06-12-2023, 07:05 PM
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There is no 3.0L NA engine that can generate this type of power. That's where the turbos come in. They boost power until they run out of
Base and T have the same turbos. The T has different tuning with a bit more power above 5k. The S and GTS also share the same turbos, which are larger than those in the base and T, and the GTS has tuning that provides for higher