I plan to track the hell out of my car when I get it. What trim level should I be targeting if not the T?

 

Approximately 10 lb per actuator. Roughly 20 pounds for the system.

In other words, not much. From a cost/benefit perspective, it’s good weight.

 

Umm… my new name is “no one” then

 

then you guys will be in the minority.

 

To be fair, most people who own any model of 911's (including the GT models) do not, or very rarely, track their cars.

So a T owner that does track their cars (kudoos to them) will indeed be in the minority, just like every other 911 owner out there.

 

that’s mostly true. I do know several friends who track their 991 and 992s, but not regularly. Most have dedicated 986, 987, 981 or 982 based track or race cars. Have been seeing a lot of GT3s and RSs though lately at VIR and Road Atlanta, usually 20 or more with PCA. I think I have seen one T at the track regularly, and that was the Tyler’s APR car.

 

...and with an ECU tune and comparable Michelin Cup tires, I suspect would be in the general neighborhood of a 992 GT3 Touring lap time...not in a different zip code.

 

Looks like you have yourself convinced

 

@Five12Free you still have not answered my simple and direct question. If a T is not sufficient to play dual duty as a street and track car, what trim level is, in your opinion? I go to HPDEs with my GT350 monthly and drive it hard. Is a 992 S sufficient? A 992 GTS? Or does it have to be a GT car (in which case I would have to pivot to a 718 GT4)? Serious question.

 

992 T or S can make a fine track car for DEs. Just going to take some work. But what you will find is, you will end up changing most of the brake components and suspension components in the quest for better lap times. For example. Just the front suspension alone will be limited in camber adjustments. Leading you to lower control arms, shims, thrust arms, etc. the rear is more of the same. I would tell you to make sure you are aware of those limitations. I chose to buy a GT4 for those reasons instead of converting my 911 to encompass a lot of those parts.

You can pretty much source all the same Motorsports parts from tarett, rss or e motion and make your car a turbo GT3. I know of a local gentleman that threw the kitchen sink at his T and ended up spending $30k on AP brakes and E Motion suspension.

 

Do we know for sure if the gearing is the same as the manual s?

 

While, you would improve your times, doubtful how close you’d really get. Remember that a GT3 beats a Turbo S around a track. A lot of tuning would need to be done to get close to 640hp from 379hp and then you need a lot of suspension work on top of it. I think it would be good enough to say that a T with a tune and tires would be a lot of fun. But once you put the money in, you probably could have ended up getting an S or GTS.

 

Mostly because of the tires. On the same tires, it's a different story...

 

I switched my S order to a T for the following reasons:

• I really wanted a GTS, not for the power (although its nice) but for the loudness and the sport options.
  • My favorite cars are cheaper cars with a lot of NHV and feedback (STI, BRZ, Lotus Elise)
  • The S is obviously really capable compared to these cars but is a little numb. Hoping that the T and GTS would bring a little bit of this back
  • GTS is 25k markup and over a 200k car with options, tax, and markup. Out of the budget for me.
• This car will not be used on the track for me
  • Don't need the big brakes
    • Smaller brakes will make it feel more responsive and quick
  • Don't need the big power
    • Smaller turbo will hopefully reduce lag and make it feel more linear.
• Manual Transmission
  • Originally went with S since no manual on base
  • Now I can get manual in a T
• Rear seats
  • I need them for kids
• Weight savings
  • not really relevant in my opinion

In summary. I think this car makes perfect sense for an enthusiast / driver who wants a bit more fizz out of a 911, can't afford the 200-300k for a GTS / GT3, and wants a manual.

In response to people saying "the S is only a few thousand more" I think that ignores the fact that the T will hopefully feel more alive with the increased sound.

This is all based on a lot of speculation but thats my reasoning and hopefully it is sound.

I will admit that if budget was not a concern, a GTS it would be.

 

The Corsa tires on the 991.2 turbo s are as good as the Cup2s on the 991.2 GT3.

the 992 turbo S NA1 tires are hot garbage though.