992 Carrera T Club
#2326
Like many in here, I've owned a 991T and a 992. I think Porsche is predictable enough that we can all pretty much assume what's it going to be like. While I understand @minn19 's point about how good the Cayman 4.0 is, I think there are shallow buyers like me that unfortunately see the 911 platform as being superior. Last counter-point is that I'm an aftermarket junkie and love the endless possibilities available for the 911 3.0T platform. For a few $k's I could get a T close to Turbo S performance if I wanted to. While I greatly respect the 4.0 motor and it's glorious sound, large amounts of money are needed to see even minimal gains. I'm not trying to convince anyone either way, just sating my thoughts on the Cayman vs. 911.
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My contention is the nerd audience here is what the T is now catering to based on the market learnings from the 991T. I won't buy a 991 T that isn't the perfect build --> for me. There are some nice ones out there for sure but we are very very picky. So we get on the list and wait for an allocation on a new T.
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#2329
It's all hype obviously since no one here ( I believe) has actually driven one and certainly hasn't owned one. I'd say we are all guilty of regurgitating reviews' highs and lows and picking out our individual points to emphasize based on biases. It'll be interesting to see the real world comments once ownership and real world experiences kick in.
Everyone should get exactly the car they want, and if part of that experience is also convincing themselves their car is objectively better to drive because of a few undetectable pounds of weight savings, that’s also part of the fun.
Porsche is the main winner here, when the margin on all the add-ons is considered, but similarly none of us who get to play the game can complain about the level of privilege we have just to be on the other side of that trade!
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#2330
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#2331
Weight makes a pretty significant difference on track - I could tell the difference between a full tank / half tank and nearly empty in my Cayman the last time I was out on track. Normally I fill between sessions but I didn't have a support truck and this track doesn't allow fuel storage in the garages so I ran it to empty in the morning session and it was pretty incredible.
#2332
is to light up crosswalks when turning around a corner where there are no street lights.
No one wants to ever hit a pedestrian! I have had two very close calls over the past 15 years.
I think this option will be adequate for this purpose and it is for this reason that I'm not ordering the infrared night vision option.
#2333
Even people’s real world experiences and reviews are very much tainted by preconceptions and external influences. Many who get the most lightweight T configuration will convince themselves they can tell the difference, when in a blind test they likely would not be able to do so. I can’t remember which YouTuber I saw who had been to a Porsche track event. Many attendees were talking about how great the RAS was on the track, but Porsche had actually been unable to provide cars with RAS for the day.
Everyone should get exactly the car they want, and if part of that experience is also convincing themselves their car is objectively better to drive because of a few undetectable pounds of weight savings, that’s also part of the fun.
Porsche is the main winner here, when the margin on all the add-ons is considered, but similarly none of us who get to play the game can complain about the level of privilege we have just to be on the other side of that trade!
Everyone should get exactly the car they want, and if part of that experience is also convincing themselves their car is objectively better to drive because of a few undetectable pounds of weight savings, that’s also part of the fun.
Porsche is the main winner here, when the margin on all the add-ons is considered, but similarly none of us who get to play the game can complain about the level of privilege we have just to be on the other side of that trade!
#2334
The only place where you would notice the difference is in competitive autocross.
Thousandths of a second are sometimes all that separates winners from losers.
Especially at a national level, a hundred pounds between two drivers of similar skill could make one competitive and the other not. (base vs manual T weight delta)
Perhaps even the 17 lbs or so difference between a base and Carrera T both with PDK could separate a winner from a loser.
4 lbs....don't think so.
Perhaps an experienced autocrosser could chime in here…
Thousandths of a second are sometimes all that separates winners from losers.
Especially at a national level, a hundred pounds between two drivers of similar skill could make one competitive and the other not. (base vs manual T weight delta)
Perhaps even the 17 lbs or so difference between a base and Carrera T both with PDK could separate a winner from a loser.
4 lbs....don't think so.
Perhaps an experienced autocrosser could chime in here…
Last edited by Tompoodie; 12-08-2022 at 01:05 PM.
#2335
I was with you until the end. A S (even a gussied up one) is not a Lexus with a Porsche badge.
People are really downplaying the rear seat delete here, but Porsche really changed the dynamics and hurt T sales when they shoved the 4.0 in the Cayman/Boxsters. I had that exact situation come up when I bought my first Porsche. There was a very nice low mileage CPO 991.2 T, a CPO GT4 and a new CGTS 4.0 for sale, all MTs and had LWBS. I ended up going with the Cayman GTS 4.0 (I don’t track anymore or I would of gone GT4 as my second choice) as it didn’t make a lot of sense to me to get the T with the back seat delete and the 4.0 motor truly is a special motor. My CA confirmed that a lot of buyers think similarly and said management would be bummed because at that time they couldn’t get rid of the T in the “super duper special pure Ethos T spec.” Eventually someone bought it because they couldn’t get a Cayman 4.0 or GT4 allocation, this was the beginning of the madness we see today.
Allocations and availability aside, which I get factor into people’s decision making process………..the two best, lightest, pure and yes Ethos drivers cars in Porsche’s lineup are the Cayman 4.0 and GT4. That motor is truly special and IMO even the GT4 with the mid engine platform is closer to a baby GT3 than a 992 T. Those get one closer to the Porsche driving experience of old that supposedly everyone here craves. But hey, carry on, this thread is very entertaining and your money as they say!
Last, not saying the T isn’t a wonderful car, but man some of the hyperbole in here is interesting to read.
People are really downplaying the rear seat delete here, but Porsche really changed the dynamics and hurt T sales when they shoved the 4.0 in the Cayman/Boxsters. I had that exact situation come up when I bought my first Porsche. There was a very nice low mileage CPO 991.2 T, a CPO GT4 and a new CGTS 4.0 for sale, all MTs and had LWBS. I ended up going with the Cayman GTS 4.0 (I don’t track anymore or I would of gone GT4 as my second choice) as it didn’t make a lot of sense to me to get the T with the back seat delete and the 4.0 motor truly is a special motor. My CA confirmed that a lot of buyers think similarly and said management would be bummed because at that time they couldn’t get rid of the T in the “super duper special pure Ethos T spec.” Eventually someone bought it because they couldn’t get a Cayman 4.0 or GT4 allocation, this was the beginning of the madness we see today.
Allocations and availability aside, which I get factor into people’s decision making process………..the two best, lightest, pure and yes Ethos drivers cars in Porsche’s lineup are the Cayman 4.0 and GT4. That motor is truly special and IMO even the GT4 with the mid engine platform is closer to a baby GT3 than a 992 T. Those get one closer to the Porsche driving experience of old that supposedly everyone here craves. But hey, carry on, this thread is very entertaining and your money as they say!
Last, not saying the T isn’t a wonderful car, but man some of the hyperbole in here is interesting to read.
My Touring is tarted up to the moon - I have deviated stitching, carbon trim, carbon lighted sills,etc - so I definitely don't have an issue with options either.
#2336
S and GTS would be very difficult to distinguish I think. The ride in the GT3 is much harder, and the Turbo S is next level fast, so those might be a bit easier.
#2337
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I’m curious between RWD/AWD too. I test drove 992 C2S and C4S cars back and forth quite a bit, I can’t really tell a difference. I went with my CPO 4S simply because I liked the build better.
#2338
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The only place where you would notice the difference is in competitive autocross.
Thousandths of a second are sometimes all that separates winners from losers.
Especially at a national level, a hundred pounds between two drivers of similar skill could make one competitive and the other not. (base vs manual T weight delta)
Perhaps even the 17 lbs or so difference between a base and Carrera T both with PDK could separate a winner from a loser.
4 lbs....don't think so.
Perhaps an experienced autocrosser could chime in here…
Thousandths of a second are sometimes all that separates winners from losers.
Especially at a national level, a hundred pounds between two drivers of similar skill could make one competitive and the other not. (base vs manual T weight delta)
Perhaps even the 17 lbs or so difference between a base and Carrera T both with PDK could separate a winner from a loser.
4 lbs....don't think so.
Perhaps an experienced autocrosser could chime in here…
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#2340
If you really want to save weight, getting the standard wheel and putting the cost of the optional wheels towards lightweight aftermarket wheels is your best bet.
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