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Porsche seems very careful in setting apart each trim level to protect and/or justify their values. So, I don’t think they’d allow a Touring for instance, to be optionable with the bits that make an S/T, and S/T. Otherwise, everyone would be building S/T lite Tourings, and we’d have a 100 threads on here asking about values of an S/T since you can configure an S/T-like Touring.
Imagine if we could option normal door handles 😂
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Pure speculation, as I know nothing of longevity of parts on the new S/T.
But it seems most GT3 owners actually track their cars and run them hard. If the clutch/flywheels combo of the S/T makes it magical, but can't stand up to the typical abuse as seen in GT3s on track, they probably don't want to tarnish the brand with a bunch of folks coming on here saying the car isn't durable. I'm thinking of it like a modified trigger with a 1.5lb break vs a 5.5lb break that most people need or will otherwise complain of NDs.
But it seems most GT3 owners actually track their cars and run them hard. If the clutch/flywheels combo of the S/T makes it magical, but can't stand up to the typical abuse as seen in GT3s on track, they probably don't want to tarnish the brand with a bunch of folks coming on here saying the car isn't durable. I'm thinking of it like a modified trigger with a 1.5lb break vs a 5.5lb break that most people need or will otherwise complain of NDs.
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Porsche does a pretty good job of focusing on the present and future more than propping up the values of former models.
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I think carrying over bits in the same generation from one model to another would upset people who paid big bucks for their “special” model.
Porsche seems very careful in setting apart each trim level to protect and/or justify their values. So, I don’t think they’d allow a Touring for instance, to be optionable with the bits that make an S/T, and S/T. Otherwise, everyone would be building S/T lite Tourings, and we’d have a 100 threads on here asking about values of an S/T since you can configure an S/T-like Touring.
Imagine if we could option normal door handles 😂
Porsche seems very careful in setting apart each trim level to protect and/or justify their values. So, I don’t think they’d allow a Touring for instance, to be optionable with the bits that make an S/T, and S/T. Otherwise, everyone would be building S/T lite Tourings, and we’d have a 100 threads on here asking about values of an S/T since you can configure an S/T-like Touring.
Imagine if we could option normal door handles 😂
I keep asking about a Dakar package for the 992.2 and keep being told it’s unlikely as Porsche has to protect the value of the numbered builds of the current Dakar rather than diluting it by offering a package across the range.
I suppose the same rationale may be at risk here.
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Clutch and flywheel will not carry over to the 992.2.
You will see revised suspension with it being differentiated between the GT3s and Tourings.
Yes to power bump.
Expect a Dakar “like” package on the 992.2. Not the whole thing, but bits and pieces.
Now time for Schnapps, mit cookies!!
You will see revised suspension with it being differentiated between the GT3s and Tourings.
Yes to power bump.
Expect a Dakar “like” package on the 992.2. Not the whole thing, but bits and pieces.
Now time for Schnapps, mit cookies!!
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Probably true about the S/T clutch and flywheel not being carried forward. But now that the proof of concept is successful with the RS engine, I could see them use a lightened version of a GT3 clutch/flywheel that uses less exotic materials than the S/T but approaches (but doesn’t match) the feel and functionality.
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I think carrying over bits in the same generation from one model to another would upset people who paid big bucks for their “special” model.
Porsche seems very careful in setting apart each trim level to protect and/or justify their values. So, I don’t think they’d allow a Touring for instance, to be optionable with the bits that make an S/T, and S/T. Otherwise, everyone would be building S/T lite Tourings, and we’d have a 100 threads on here asking about values of an S/T since you can configure an S/T-like Touring.
Imagine if we could option normal door handles 😂
Porsche seems very careful in setting apart each trim level to protect and/or justify their values. So, I don’t think they’d allow a Touring for instance, to be optionable with the bits that make an S/T, and S/T. Otherwise, everyone would be building S/T lite Tourings, and we’d have a 100 threads on here asking about values of an S/T since you can configure an S/T-like Touring.
Imagine if we could option normal door handles 😂
Maybe not everything that’s in the S/T should be included, nor could they for $90K because they’re just premium, expensive parts, but the idea of a purists model, perhaps with the 718 4L NA engine in a lightweight 911 T, or a package where you can get the mag wheels (since you CAN buy them aftermarket, so why not through the factory?) and the shorter final drive and dampening improvements…
Halo cars should totally exist - they are there to be unattainable and posters on the wall, and draw people to the brand, BUT the special parts of the halo car should make their way into future models.
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are you saying that they WILL have a SM LWFW but excluding North America ONLY? ie all other markets will get it?
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Wouldn't the transition to an hybrid-assisted powertrain as expected in the 992.2 GT3 necessarily exclude a manual GT3 going forward? They would be utilizing the space designed for it in the current PDK.
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I think it’s more likely that the manual GT3 is NA only and emulates the S/T (to the degree economical and won’t cause S/T owners to storm the castle gates).
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When the 991.2 Manual GT3 came out, it had the same gearbox and a better version of the 4.0L motor (the two biggest selling points of the R compared to the 991.1 GT3 and its 3.8L and pdk) as well as several other upgrades for far less money.
Porsche does a pretty good job of focusing on the present and future more than propping up the values of former models.
Porsche does a pretty good job of focusing on the present and future more than propping up the values of former models.
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Any dealers out there that can corroborate (the first part of) that?
If that’s true, then I’d say the S/T is Porsche’s Swan Song to the manual car.
As for the hybrid GT3, I was told by a different source that 992.2 would all go hybrid except for the base Carrera and the GT cars, and then 994 GT cars would have high-revving Turbocharged engines.