shrimp money

I think carrying over bits in the same generation from one model to another would upset people who paid big bucks for their “special” model.

Porsche seems very careful in setting apart each trim level to protect and/or justify their values. So, I don’t think they’d allow a Touring for instance, to be optionable with the bits that make an S/T, and S/T. Otherwise, everyone would be building S/T lite Tourings, and we’d have a 100 threads on here asking about values of an S/T since you can configure an S/T-like Touring.

Imagine if we could option normal door handles 😂

usctrojanGT3

Yeah, sorta like the offer the WP package for RS. Maybe they offer it for Tourings only.

usctrojanGT3

I tracked my 997.2 GT3RS with a 4L clutch and lightweight clutch for above 50 track days and the clutch was in great condition when I sold the car. People that know how to drive a manual well can handle a sensitive clutch like in the CGT, 997 4L, and the S/T as it's not rocket science.

GrantG

When the 991.2 Manual GT3 came out, it had the same gearbox and a better version of the 4.0L motor (the two biggest selling points of the R compared to the 991.1 GT3 and its 3.8L and pdk) as well as several other upgrades for far less money.

Porsche does a pretty good job of focusing on the present and future more than propping up the values of former models.

jonbek

I agree, like the 992T could have drawn on more from the current GT3 Touring or even GTS but clearly just chose to continue the 991 Touring scheme.

I keep asking about a Dakar package for the 992.2 and keep being told it’s unlikely as Porsche has to protect the value of the numbered builds of the current Dakar rather than diluting it by offering a package across the range.

I suppose the same rationale may be at risk here.

cosmos

Clutch and flywheel will not carry over to the 992.2.

You will see revised suspension with it being differentiated between the GT3s and Tourings.

Yes to power bump.

Expect a Dakar “like” package on the 992.2. Not the whole thing, but bits and pieces.

Now time for Schnapps, mit cookies!!

GrantG

Probably true about the S/T clutch and flywheel not being carried forward. But now that the proof of concept is successful with the RS engine, I could see them use a lightened version of a GT3 clutch/flywheel that uses less exotic materials than the S/T but approaches (but doesn’t match) the feel and functionality.

cosmos

^ Let me be as vague as possible on reply.

Probably won’t happen for just the North American market.

Greek Car Geek

I say this being a future owner of an S/T, and of course want my car to hold its value, and its specialness - but at the same time, I feel like special cars SIMILAR to this should be attainable and something to aspire to, like Jason Cammisa said in the 2Jasons-1car video, the things that make the S/T special are in the experience, and should be part of the base Carrera experience. I agree.

Maybe not everything that’s in the S/T should be included, nor could they for $90K because they’re just premium, expensive parts, but the idea of a purists model, perhaps with the 718 4L NA engine in a lightweight 911 T, or a package where you can get the mag wheels (since you CAN buy them aftermarket, so why not through the factory?) and the shorter final drive and dampening improvements…

Halo cars should totally exist - they are there to be unattainable and posters on the wall, and draw people to the brand, BUT the special parts of the halo car should make their way into future models.

Greek Car Geek

maybe I’m alone here, but this created more questions than answers for me.

are you saying that they WILL have a SM LWFW but excluding North America ONLY? ie all other markets will get it?

dave2020

Wouldn't the transition to an hybrid-assisted powertrain as expected in the 992.2 GT3 necessarily exclude a manual GT3 going forward? They would be utilizing the space designed for it in the current PDK.

GrantG

That is my thought, unless they felt the demand was great enough to warrant a new manual gearbox with a space for an e-motor as well (and the appetite for developing the complex software is there).

I think it’s more likely that the manual GT3 is NA only and emulates the S/T (to the degree economical and won’t cause S/T owners to storm the castle gates).

PTS

There was a ton of backlash for this after the 991.2 Touring came out. I doubt they handle it the same way with the S/T and 992.2 Touring. They're gonna keep a bigger gap between the 2 this time around. My guess

GrantG

At the time, I feel like Porsche was secretly pleased about the effect the 991.2 Manual GT3 had on 911R speculators (they repeatedly said their cars are meant to be driven and not be a replacement to traditional investments like real estate and stocks). But now that the S/T is so much more expensive than the 911R (much of the ADM being baked into the MSRP), they may be more sensitive to that dynamic.

Greek Car Geek

I heard from a source that the dealers were notified about the 992.1 some time before it was announced to the public, and that they were told that the GT3 would be PDK only. Then someone who is a legend in the Porsche world was contacted and he made some calls, and the manual became an option.

Any dealers out there that can corroborate (the first part of) that?

If that’s true, then I’d say the S/T is Porsche’s Swan Song to the manual car.

As for the hybrid GT3, I was told by a different source that 992.2 would all go hybrid except for the base Carrera and the GT cars, and then 994 GT cars would have high-revving Turbocharged engines.