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Old 09-25-2023 | 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by WenigerAberBeser
don’t get me wrong, I would love to have one at MSRP… but there’s not enough Kool aid in the world for me to believe any auto journo that says the ST is so different than a touring.
Who WOULDN'T want one at MSRP?
Old 09-25-2023 | 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Jasonamayes
^^ Correct. There is going to be a 1 year lease stipulation on this car.

Received the document this morning as well.

-Jason
What is the money factor on the 1-year lease? 10%? Are 918 VIPs also on the lease requirement? Sounds like more of a money grab from Porsche from anxious Americans.
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Old 09-25-2023 | 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by jbann
The PCNA document indicates eligible for single pay.
So how will stealers try to extract max ADMs with a lease?
Old 09-25-2023 | 09:05 PM
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Watched the vids. Meh. Underwhelmed. They should have just tweaked the GT3 touring to make it better for the road and have it live up to the ‘touring’ name.
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Old 09-25-2023 | 09:10 PM
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Does that sound different to the touring and RS?
Old 09-25-2023 | 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
What is the money factor on the 1-year lease? 10%? Are 918 VIPs also on the lease requirement? Sounds like more of a money grab from Porsche from anxious Americans.
I’m starting to understand why journos are saying there’s ‘no comparison’. I guess it fools some people
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Old 09-25-2023 | 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DodoBrd
I’m starting to understand why journos are saying there’s ‘no comparison’. I guess it fools some people
I've said it once before, I've never heard of any journalist crap on any Porsche GT cars so of course they are going to love the ST and how it's the best thing since sliced bread. We'll get the same thing when the 992.2 GT3 gets released, and the 992.2 GT3RS gets released, etc, etc, etc. What they say about the car has ZERO effect on my "want" factor for any car, they are just paid puppets. Although, I do enjoy Chris Harris' videos when he's flogging GT cars on track....hopefully he'll get to flog the ST on track for some laps.

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Old 09-25-2023 | 09:33 PM
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https://www.roadandtrack.com/reviews...orsche-911-st/

"It’s far and away the most visceral, most satisfying, most joyful motoring experience you can get from a road car right now."

"Porsche had a GT3 Touring on standby for me to try out back to back with the S/T, and by comparison the Touring felt near-lethargic, especially out of slower corners where real torque is many thousands of rpm away. It’s an incredible feat considering just how good the standard GT3 can be."
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Old 09-25-2023 | 09:37 PM
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lol. A touring on standby to compare!! lol

PAG must be reading our comments.
Old 09-25-2023 | 09:43 PM
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Well, the important thing is that all these open minds were changed.
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Old 09-25-2023 | 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
I've said it once before, I've never heard of any journalist crap on any Porsche GT cars so of course they are going to love the ST and how it's the best thing since sliced bread. We'll get the same thing when the 992.2 GT3 gets released, and the 992.2 GT3RS gets released, etc, etc, etc. What they say about the car has ZERO effect on my "want" factor for any car, they are just paid puppets. Although, I do enjoy Chris Harris' videos when he's flogging GT cars on track....hopefully he'll get to flog the ST on track for some laps.
To be fair though, it's hard to crap on Porsche GT cars because they're consistently quite good. Problem is when the car being tested is raved about as though it's much better than other GT cars, when it's usually not. Today, I had a chance to drive a friend's 992 GT3 on track (first ever drive of a 992 GT3), and I was surprised by how similar it felt to my 991.1 GT3 - and I say that as someone who just got a 992 GT3 and traded in the 991.1 GT3.

Regarding track reliability, add the following to my list. Got this message several times today in the 992 Turbo S:


Owners manual says "vehicle handling may change" and "adapt your driving style to the situation". What the hell does that mean when I'm driving on track?! Other than this error message though, the car is really fast and fun on track, quite a beast.
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Originally Posted by ff2kracer
https://www.roadandtrack.com/reviews...orsche-911-st/

"It’s far and away the most visceral, most satisfying, most joyful motoring experience you can get from a road car right now."

"Porsche had a GT3 Touring on standby for me to try out back to back with the S/T, and by comparison the Touring felt near-lethargic, especially out of slower corners where real torque is many thousands of rpm away. It’s an incredible feat considering just how good the standard GT3 can be."
Ridiculous hyperbole. Dude hasn't driven a McLaren, or he forgot what it's like. Or he's not a good driver.
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Originally Posted by Manifold
Ridiculous hyperbole. Dude hasn't driven a McLaren, or he forgot what it's like. Or he's not a good driver.
Or he wants to continue getting to drive press cars and post on his channel for views…
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Originally Posted by raymort
Or he wants to continue getting to drive press cars and post on his channel for views…
The situation certainly fosters a bias towards highly favorable reviews.
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Old 09-25-2023 | 10:07 PM
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I’ve never leased a car before- with a one year lease does that mean you automatically have the option of buying the car at the end of the lease or does it have to go back to Porsche?
Like Soulsea said, if the lease costs $30k, isn’t this just a way to have another ADM? If the car costs $300k and the market value is $400k, couldn’t one just pre-pay all the lease payments ahead of time and sell it anyway or does the lease limit flippers/brokers…? I guess I don’t understand all the ramifications of this new sales program.


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