911ST
11-09-2023, 03:49 PM
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Sounds like an assumption on your end re ST MSRP. Kyrocks is an example of paying MSRP with no prior relationship. The theory in the video may have been tested using UK data but the key drivers are global and at minimum, we can all see a similar softening of prices on BAT and a softening of ADMs in the US across the model range. MSRP to good customers is a given and a moot point. As for where I got the info re SC and Dakars, I said "seems". I don't have empirical data. Just anecdotal.
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11-09-2023, 04:48 PM
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. Cyprus is a tiny island with just 1m people, so essentially demand is probably 0. Kyrocks is benefitting from being a big fish in a small pond.
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11-09-2023, 04:51 PM
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My phone auto-corrected via speak-text. My local golf club has a course called Cypress, which I type out often.
11-09-2023, 05:53 PM
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Many rich Russians who will pay under the table for the car. I honestly didn’t believe I would get one. However, my early timing and trust gained with vast Porsche experience/history landed me the car.
I would definitely not compare this market to the USA market however.
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11-09-2023, 06:43 PM
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11-09-2023, 06:44 PM
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Drifting
Getting a limited edition Porsche in Cyprus is the same as getting a limited edition Ferrari in Belgium: Not too difficult. I had a conversation with a good German friend of mine who got a 812 Competitione from his dealer in Belgium with almost zero Ferrari purchase history (I think he bought a SF90 previously). He said the entire Belgium market was getting 6 cars and he was getting one of them.
My local Beverly Hills Ferrari dealer received 12 of the 812 Competitione and the waiting list for the car was very long. One dealer in the US alone is already bigger than the entire country of Belgium.
Out of the 100 Top Ferrari clients in the world, my local BH dealer has 12 of them. Different markets, different situations.
My local Beverly Hills Ferrari dealer received 12 of the 812 Competitione and the waiting list for the car was very long. One dealer in the US alone is already bigger than the entire country of Belgium.
Out of the 100 Top Ferrari clients in the world, my local BH dealer has 12 of them. Different markets, different situations.
9 other people on the S/T list here.
Many rich Russians who will pay under the table for the car. I honestly didn’t believe I would get one. However, my early timing and trust gained with vast Porsche experience/history landed me the car.
I would definitely not compare this market to the USA market however.
Many rich Russians who will pay under the table for the car. I honestly didn’t believe I would get one. However, my early timing and trust gained with vast Porsche experience/history landed me the car.
I would definitely not compare this market to the USA market however.
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11-09-2023, 06:45 PM
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Drifting
11-09-2023, 06:54 PM
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I’m surprised not more RL member / enthusiasts have received an S/T allocation. There’s what 10-15 folks so far on here with one?
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11-09-2023, 07:00 PM
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Maybe not important, but would people spec the extended range fuel tank?
It's probably a nominal increase in wet weight but feel the smaller tank goes in the spirit of being the lightest weight 992. Also, I like putting in fresh fuel in the car more often and don't mind gas station stops. I've seen posts in the past where the larger tank is a must have like FAL. And now that I mention it, would people get FAL in the S/T?
It's probably a nominal increase in wet weight but feel the smaller tank goes in the spirit of being the lightest weight 992. Also, I like putting in fresh fuel in the car more often and don't mind gas station stops. I've seen posts in the past where the larger tank is a must have like FAL. And now that I mention it, would people get FAL in the S/T?
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11-09-2023, 07:11 PM
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Maybe not important, but would people spec the extended range fuel tank?
It's probably a nominal increase in wet weight but feel the smaller tank goes in the spirit of being the lightest weight 992. Also, I like putting in fresh fuel in the car more often and don't mind gas station stops. I've seen posts in the past where the larger tank is a must have like FAL. And now that I mention it, would people get FAL in the S/T?
It's probably a nominal increase in wet weight but feel the smaller tank goes in the spirit of being the lightest weight 992. Also, I like putting in fresh fuel in the car more often and don't mind gas station stops. I've seen posts in the past where the larger tank is a must have like FAL. And now that I mention it, would people get FAL in the S/T?
However when empty, both fuel tanks are nearly the identical weight (I would guess the difference is measured in ounces, not pounds). The Extended tank just gives you far more freedom whether you want just enough fuel to barely make it home (and have sub-3,000 pound weight) or 90 Liters for well over 500 mile range (at boring speeds on the highway).
I would take Extended tank far before FAL. The Extended tank is great to have, unless you never track nor go on road trips well away from civilization (then why have an S/T?
). Also some states and countries have sketchy fuel (i.e. really hard to find Premium in Italy and some US states have low octane or lots of Ethanol - nice if you can visit without having to fuel there).
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11-09-2023, 07:24 PM
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Vielleicht nicht wichtig, aber würden die Leute den Kraftstofftank mit erweiterter Reichweite spezifizieren?
Es handelt sich wahrscheinlich um eine nominelle Erhöhung des Nassgewichts, aber der kleinere Tank entspricht dem Anspruch, der 992 mit dem geringsten Gewicht zu sein. Außerdem mag ich es, öfter frischen Kraftstoff in das Auto zu füllen, und es macht mir nichts aus, an Tankstellen anzuhalten. Ich habe in der Vergangenheit Beiträge gesehen, in denen der größere Tank wie FAL ein Muss ist. Und jetzt, wo ich es erwähne: Würden die Leute im S/T FAL bekommen?
Es handelt sich wahrscheinlich um eine nominelle Erhöhung des Nassgewichts, aber der kleinere Tank entspricht dem Anspruch, der 992 mit dem geringsten Gewicht zu sein. Außerdem mag ich es, öfter frischen Kraftstoff in das Auto zu füllen, und es macht mir nichts aus, an Tankstellen anzuhalten. Ich habe in der Vergangenheit Beiträge gesehen, in denen der größere Tank wie FAL ein Muss ist. Und jetzt, wo ich es erwähne: Würden die Leute im S/T FAL bekommen?
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11-09-2023, 07:36 PM
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Yes, you definitely want the Extended Fuel Tank! This is a must-have option for me in any GT car. The only reason that the smaller tank exists is because the EU rules specify that the official weight must reflect the fuel tank at 90% full (so much less fuel/weight to get the smaller tank to 90%).
However when empty, both fuel tanks are nearly the identical weight (I would guess the difference is measured in ounces, not pounds). The Extended tank just gives you far more freedom whether you want just enough fuel to barely make it home (and have sub-3,000 pound weight) or 90 Liters for well over 500 mile range (at boring speeds on the highway).
I would take Extended tank far before FAL. The Extended tank is great to have, unless you never track nor go on road trips well away from civilization (then why have an S/T? )
However when empty, both fuel tanks are nearly the identical weight (I would guess the difference is measured in ounces, not pounds). The Extended tank just gives you far more freedom whether you want just enough fuel to barely make it home (and have sub-3,000 pound weight) or 90 Liters for well over 500 mile range (at boring speeds on the highway).
I would take Extended tank far before FAL. The Extended tank is great to have, unless you never track nor go on road trips well away from civilization (then why have an S/T?
)I see your point. I don't actually plan to track the S/T as I'm gratefully lucky to have a GT3 that would take preference for track use (and as AP said, S/T is "not a track car" and, honestly, I'd be too nervous with it on a track). Also, don't see myself taking super extended road trips in the S/T away from civilization and kids-in-tow make a 4-door necessary for any road trips.. I guess I see the S/T as a commuter and weekend car to make the mundane MUCH more fun. But I guess there's no real downsides to spec'ing the bigger tank other than having to fill it for winter storage.
Would be interested in your thoughts on necessity of FAL on S/T vs. weight penalty.
11-09-2023, 07:37 PM
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11-09-2023, 07:38 PM
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