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Old 08-24-2023, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
Most people on RL (including me) aren't in that category, but some definitely are. I like to read about how truly rich people think about this stuff.
In your opinion at what point would that be for someone?

Old 08-24-2023, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
Couldn't have said it better myself. I made one impulsive $50k ADM purchase for the 991.1 GT3RS and after that I said never again.
Is that how much over MSRP I sold it to you for?
I can’t remember. Voodoo blue was nice though.
Don’t feel bad. I’m using those funds to buy the S/T in Europe at a higher MSRP price than in USA!
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Old 08-24-2023, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
Couldn't have said it better myself. I made one impulsive $50k ADM purchase for the 991.1 GT3RS and after that I said never again.
Same, on another model. Never again.
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Old 08-24-2023, 06:09 PM
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No car has ever been worth it for me to pay over MSRP.
Old 08-24-2023, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
I'm sure both you and I can burn $100k-$200k on an ADM without an issue but we just choose not to. My focus is keeping as much capital ready to help my contingent buyers.
But my wife would say I’m crazy if I argued for paying that kind of ADM, and she’d probably be right. We could pay it, but we’re not rich enough to not care about paying it. It’s pretty rare that I don’t consider value when I buy stuff.
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Old 08-24-2023, 06:30 PM
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Luxury goods, famous brands and value in the same sentence is rare.
Old 08-24-2023, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by WernerE
Porsche's configuration page for the ST is getting weird. The Extended Range Fuel Tank option promises that a "Image Coming Soon." What are they going to show us, exactly - two red portable tanks that are custom fitted behind the seats? Also, I think someone at Porsche has a key fetish. There are no fewer than 5 different sets of key options with innumerable selections within each.

The only thing missing from the options list for me are Full Bucket Seats that FOLD.
Lol they won't have a pic for the fuel tank. It just means fitting a tank that will utilize the space normally occupied by the front drivetrain in a AWD model. The standard tank fits both RWD and AWD models. If memory serves me right the bigger tank is 90L. Smaller one is like 60ish.

You forgot to mention the numerous carpet options too aside from the key.

They do have the folding ones, it's call the sofa seat
Old 08-24-2023, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 993RR
Luxury goods, famous brands and value in the same sentence is rare.
I don’t think of Porsches as luxury goods, but rather as very well engineered tools for driving. Maybe because I myself am an engineer.
Old 08-24-2023, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by WernerE
Porsche's configuration page for the ST is getting weird. The Extended Range Fuel Tank option promises that a "Image Coming Soon." What are they going to show us, exactly - two red portable tanks that are custom fitted behind the seats? Also, I think someone at Porsche has a key fetish. There are no fewer than 5 different sets of key options with innumerable selections within each.

The only thing missing from the options list for me are Full Bucket Seats that FOLD.
Something I thought was pretty ghetto on my 991.2 3rs was I got the extended tank and it was obviously an afterthought for Porsche as the first 5-7 gallons or so of a fill up, your car just stays on Full tank. So it's like the extra reservoir they added must not register with the fuel gauge. You could fill up your tank 19/25 gallons and yet your gauge will read full because stock is like 18. This was so janky I wouldn't get extended again lol The track argument makes no sense I just fill up between sessions a lot of times anyways
Old 08-24-2023, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Bowball
having owned many of those cars, I’d suggest a different order.

911’s
two essential early ones are
1. 1967 911S swb
​​​​​​ 2. 1973 RS (or a 2.2 liter 1970/71 S)

later 911’s
1. 964 RS is great. I’d skip the 993 tt

356’s
1. I prefer the look of the A’s so
- speedster or a convertible and.
2. An A coupe (56 to 59). Cheaper to get a B or C so your preference on price point. Later have better transmissions, steering box, etc.

928
1. A first year or two. Let’s say 1978. Auto’s fit these well. Best looks. Some like the last GTS butnthey
are body kitted out by then

930 turbo
1. Love the looks. Hate the turbo lag. Be careful. Not much fun to drive. I like the early 3 liters.

so I’d get first an early 911 and a 356 to start. Most driving events. Variety.

Hehe, I am on the lookout for a nice 928 GTS, it's one of the Porsche icons that I grew up with, and it would completely my collection of 90s Porsche as I already have a 968 and a turbo 3.6, the Bad Boys car.

Wanting a 993TT would be because that's the hardest turbo to find at a reasonable price, even more amazing if I can find a turbo S version. The 89 930 would be easy, and so would a 997 turbo S. Already have a 996 turbo S and a 991 turbo S Exclusive. And the 992 turbo S, well I just have to head to the dealer to get one. Then I would have completed the turbo collection, Porsche's ultimate cars.

964RS, 2.7RS and the 3.0SC can be grouped together as a collective find for me, they all amazing in their own right and shine in their respective era. Whichever one pops up first is up to fate.

After I took delivery of my 991 Speedster, I realized that's not the car I had wanted. What I want is the original, 89. Narrow body is rare so I don't mind getting a wide body one. I mean I don't mind settle for a 964 Speedster but that's just splitting hair. to me the 911 Speedster is already way too big, also too powerful, it lost's the spirit of a Speedster.

I am a quirky guy, so instead of a really early 911, I wanted a 912.

The 356s are not quite a priority, would be nice to have one, whatever the version.

Old 08-24-2023, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
I don’t think of Porsches as luxury goods, but rather as very well engineered tools for driving. Maybe because I myself am an engineer.
Porsche have said they are in the luxury business. What you think and are is irrelevant.
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Originally Posted by kyrocks
Is that how much over MSRP I sold it to you for?
I can’t remember. Voodoo blue was nice though.
Don’t feel bad. I’m using those funds to buy the S/T in Europe at a higher MSRP price than in USA!
No, that $50k ADM was on a new UltraViolet RS allocation. I think for your car I paid like $27k over MSRP but that was a resale purchase and it was PTS.
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Old 08-24-2023, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
But my wife would say I’m crazy if I argued for paying that kind of ADM, and she’d probably be right. We could pay it, but we’re not rich enough to not care about paying it. It’s pretty rare that I don’t consider value when I buy stuff.
I don't have a wife to answer to but I've gotten less impulsive over the years. I did pay almost $200k over MSRP for my 997 4L but I gave up my 1-of-1 PTS 997 GT3RS for that car because it was that valuable to me.
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Originally Posted by 993RR
Porsche have said they are in the luxury business. What you think and are is irrelevant.
I can see they're broadly going in that direction, but I'll never think of screaming hardcore GT track cars as being luxury goods.
Old 08-24-2023, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Randy M
In your opinion at what point would that be for someone?
I think it depends on savings, income, age, dependents, etc. There's no universal answer.

One thing I've noticed, though, is that when people spend as though they lack money, they often accumulate a lot of money, and when people spend as though they have effectively unlimited money, they often discover that they're running out of money. There's a delicate balance in there somewhere.
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