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Old 11-09-2023 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by unotaz
All CXX requests are no longer being accepted on the US side. PCNA's CXX capacity has been reached all the way through October of next year.
Will Porsche allow a customer to delay their S/T build until CXX is open?

I don't care how long it takes to get my car I'd rather wait and get it exactly how I want it

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Old 11-09-2023 | 12:10 PM
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Thanks for the heads up on this thread that specific Limitation Numbers can be chosen. Reviewed the available numbers with my SA in an email from Porsche Canada. Surprisingly still lots of numbers left, presumably because the US allocations have only recently trickled out. #1088/1963
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Old 11-09-2023 | 12:14 PM
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I'm hearing it's a very tight production window so I'm doubtful that will be the case. Sound like Porsche is trying to knock these out the first 6 months of 2024.
Old 11-09-2023 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MattDFW
I'm hearing it's a very tight production window so I'm doubtful that will be the case. Sound like Porsche is trying to knock these out the first 6 months of 2024.
Plenty of US guys with July production dates..

I haven't been told mine yet

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Old 11-09-2023 | 12:17 PM
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(Jan-Aug) I should have clarified.
Old 11-09-2023 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MattDFW
(Jan-Aug) I should have clarified.
An August build would hypothetically go to Sonderwunsch in Sept?
Old 11-09-2023 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
He is talking about the UK market but he's not far off that the same thing can happen in the US. Now sure how long it'll take but at some point things will cool off here in the US too.
This is a worldwide phenomenon. Same global conditions that created it are now at play swinging the other way. Perhaps with regional variances.

Originally Posted by mooty
video too long.
5min he could have summarized
Summary: 991/992 GTx and Turbos are sitting unsold for months in the UK. Dealers are slashing prices by $10-25k and still no sale, verified through a new autotrader pricing tracking tool. Conclusion: PAG produced too many GTx and Turbos since Covid and now dealers and speculators are trying to dump in a fairly saturated market.

Does this correlate to a good number of STs at MSRP? Seems like most SC and Dakar buyers paid ADMs and everyone here expected big ADMs on the ST which seems to not be happening entirely.
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Originally Posted by John Loh
Thanks for the heads up on this thread that specific Limitation Numbers can be chosen. Reviewed the available numbers with my SA in an email from Porsche Canada. Surprisingly still lots of numbers left, presumably because the US allocations have only recently trickled out. #1088/1963
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Old 11-09-2023 | 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilder
Does this correlate to a good number of STs at MSRP? Seems like most SC and Dakar buyers paid ADMs and everyone here expected big ADMs on the ST which seems to not be happening entirely.
Nothing to do with how many MSRP S/T allocations. The MSRP cars are going to best customers of a store. Where are you getting information that more SC and Dakars had ADMs compared to ST?
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There are Dakar allocations just sitting there unused. I want an ST but i'm not paying these huge ADMs.
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Originally Posted by PTS
Will Porsche allow a customer to delay their S/T build until CXX is open?

I don't care how long it takes to get my car I'd rather wait and get it exactly how I want it
Probably not. Will probably lose your spot if you delay.
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Originally Posted by jez_991S
Ich bin dir nahe 0584
Me too! 😉👍 „0583“
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Originally Posted by Wilder
This is a worldwide phenomenon. Same global conditions that created it are now at play swinging the other way. Perhaps with regional variances.
The UK economy is nowhere near as robust as that of the U.S.
Not even in the same galaxy really. The last time the UK reported GDP growth >1.0% was in Q4 of 2021 at 1.5%
UK has been flat as a pancake


US Q3 GDP: 4.9%
UK Q3 GDP: 0.5% estimate

The UK is actually looking at a 0.2% contraction for 2023.

UK quarterly GDP growth 2023 | Statista

UK GDP forecast 2023 | Statista




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Old 11-09-2023 | 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by PTS
Nothing to do with how many MSRP S/T allocations. The MSRP cars are going to best customers of a store. Where are you getting information that more SC and Dakars had ADMs compared to ST?
Sounds like an assumption on your end re ST MSRP. Kyrocks is an example of paying MSRP with no prior relationship. The theory in the video may have been tested using UK data but the key drivers are global and at minimum, we can all see a similar softening of prices on BAT and a softening of ADMs in the US across the model range. MSRP to good customers is a given and a moot point. As for where I got the info re SC and Dakars, I said "seems". I don't have empirical data. Just anecdotal.
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Originally Posted by Diablo Dude
The UK economy is nowhere near as robust as that of the U.S.
Not even in the same galaxy really. The last time the UK reported GDP growth >1.0% was in Q4 of 2021 at 1.5%
UK has been flat as a pancake


US Q3 GDP: 4.9%
UK Q3 GDP: 0.5% estimate

The UK is actually looking at a 0.2% contraction for 2023.

UK quarterly GDP growth 2023 | Statista

UK GDP forecast 2023 | Statista
Again, not a UK or EU phenomenon but worldwide. Effects of Covid and Ukraine are global, not regional.

There is a lag between reality and perception when things begin to change. I'm trying to have a conversation about that. I'm not taking a position.


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