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dixonk (10-05-2023)
10-05-2023, 01:21 PM
#3677
It will be a year before it arrives at my home in LA. I pushed it back to July production (originally March build) to fit in with Sonderwunsch schedule over at the Manufaktur. So most likely it will leave Zuffenhausen before they go on holiday in August and get here in October.
I just hope I don't get a heart attack when they send me the invoice for the final build
I just hope I don't get a heart attack when they send me the invoice for the final build
You can simply purchase a Sonderwunsch sticker from Classic Stickers for 7 Euros.
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10-05-2023, 01:37 PM
#3678
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The more I think about it. The more I think the lease situation isn’t going to help much regarding flippers. Sure for the first 12 months but after that it will be a free for all. Who wouldn’t put up 325-375k for 12 months to turn around to make 100-150? That’s a nice return.
Look at recent BaT auctions. Plenty of MY22 with delivery miles being sold well over a year from their original purchase date on carfax.
The one thing the special models do is create more of a demand for the models that are “almost like” them. For instance 991.2 touring and 911 R. That demand will keep those touring prices high forever imo
Look at recent BaT auctions. Plenty of MY22 with delivery miles being sold well over a year from their original purchase date on carfax.
The one thing the special models do is create more of a demand for the models that are “almost like” them. For instance 991.2 touring and 911 R. That demand will keep those touring prices high forever imo
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Diablo Dude (10-05-2023)
10-05-2023, 01:56 PM
#3681
The more I think about it. The more I think the lease situation isn’t going to help much regarding flippers. Sure for the first 12 months but after that it will be a free for all. Who wouldn’t put up 325-375k for 12 months to turn around to make 100-150? That’s a nice return.
Look at recent BaT auctions. Plenty of MY22 with delivery miles being sold well over a year from their original purchase date on carfax.
The one thing the special models do is create more of a demand for the models that are “almost like” them. For instance 991.2 touring and 911 R. That demand will keep those touring prices high forever imo
Look at recent BaT auctions. Plenty of MY22 with delivery miles being sold well over a year from their original purchase date on carfax.
The one thing the special models do is create more of a demand for the models that are “almost like” them. For instance 991.2 touring and 911 R. That demand will keep those touring prices high forever imo
10-05-2023, 01:58 PM
#3682
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10-05-2023, 02:04 PM
#3683
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10-05-2023, 03:30 PM
#3684
It will be a year before it arrives at my home in LA. I pushed it back to July production (originally March build) to fit in with Sonderwunsch schedule over at the Manufaktur. So most likely it will leave Zuffenhausen before they go on holiday in August and get here in October.
I just hope I don't get a heart attack when they send me the invoice for the final build
I just hope I don't get a heart attack when they send me the invoice for the final build
As somewhat of an aside - I want to go with the Heritage edition but was told by a fellow enthusiast that nearly everyone specced the Heritage pack for the Speedster and it diluted the market - so the PTS speedsters were worth more than the Heritage cars, which were more common. I saw an article from 2020 (so some time after launch) that said the opposite, that Heritage was sought after.
10-05-2023, 03:32 PM
#3685
Burning Brakes
Piqued my curiosity! What special bits are you speccing on your S/T?
As somewhat of an aside - I want to go with the Heritage edition but was told by a fellow enthusiast that nearly everyone specced the Heritage pack for the Speedster and it diluted the market - so the PTS speedsters were worth more than the Heritage cars, which were more common. I saw an article from 2020 (so some time after launch) that said the opposite, that Heritage was sought after.
As somewhat of an aside - I want to go with the Heritage edition but was told by a fellow enthusiast that nearly everyone specced the Heritage pack for the Speedster and it diluted the market - so the PTS speedsters were worth more than the Heritage cars, which were more common. I saw an article from 2020 (so some time after launch) that said the opposite, that Heritage was sought after.
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10-05-2023, 03:54 PM
#3686
Piqued my curiosity! What special bits are you speccing on your S/T?
As somewhat of an aside - I want to go with the Heritage edition but was told by a fellow enthusiast that nearly everyone specced the Heritage pack for the Speedster and it diluted the market - so the PTS speedsters were worth more than the Heritage cars, which were more common. I saw an article from 2020 (so some time after launch) that said the opposite, that Heritage was sought after.
As somewhat of an aside - I want to go with the Heritage edition but was told by a fellow enthusiast that nearly everyone specced the Heritage pack for the Speedster and it diluted the market - so the PTS speedsters were worth more than the Heritage cars, which were more common. I saw an article from 2020 (so some time after launch) that said the opposite, that Heritage was sought after.
I’m going heritage on this car, the interior and white wheels are exactly what I’m wanting. Nice the exterior doesn’t have to be the launch color.
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10-05-2023, 04:19 PM
#3687
10-05-2023, 04:48 PM
#3688
Drifting
I think Heritage Speedsters and PTS Speedsters are trading at about the same premium. Both have issues of their own. Heritage with the same exterior paint and almost all of the PTS version only comes in the boring black leather interior.
The ones with the real premium (eg. rare) are the PTS Speedsters with true custom interior colors. Of course, this is assuming the car is specced in good taste.
The ones with the real premium (eg. rare) are the PTS Speedsters with true custom interior colors. Of course, this is assuming the car is specced in good taste.
Piqued my curiosity! What special bits are you speccing on your S/T?
As somewhat of an aside - I want to go with the Heritage edition but was told by a fellow enthusiast that nearly everyone specced the Heritage pack for the Speedster and it diluted the market - so the PTS speedsters were worth more than the Heritage cars, which were more common. I saw an article from 2020 (so some time after launch) that said the opposite, that Heritage was sought after.
As somewhat of an aside - I want to go with the Heritage edition but was told by a fellow enthusiast that nearly everyone specced the Heritage pack for the Speedster and it diluted the market - so the PTS speedsters were worth more than the Heritage cars, which were more common. I saw an article from 2020 (so some time after launch) that said the opposite, that Heritage was sought after.
10-05-2023, 05:38 PM
#3689
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I think Heritage Speedsters and PTS Speedsters are trading at about the same premium. Both have issues of their own. Heritage with the same exterior paint and almost all of the PTS version only comes in the boring black leather interior.
The ones with the real premium (eg. rare) are the PTS Speedsters with true custom interior colors. Of course, this is assuming the car is specced in good taste.
The ones with the real premium (eg. rare) are the PTS Speedsters with true custom interior colors. Of course, this is assuming the car is specced in good taste.
10-05-2023, 05:51 PM
#3690
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
To properly compare the Turbo S and GT3, I think the Turbo S needs to be on Cup 2 and needs front camber of about 1.5 degrees (from the factory, it's generally 1.0 degree or less, mine was 0.4 degrees on one side).
If you haven't tried a McLaren, I recommend doing so. I got my 570 GT in mint condition at 8,300 miles for $160k and, subjectively, the experience of driving it is well beyond any of my Porsches. Even if I wind up spending tens of thousands of dollars fixing things, the car is still a bargain, and with 1k miles on it so far I've had no issues at all. The power feels comparable to a Turbo S, it's light, nimble and playful mid-engine handling, great hydraulic steering feel, sounds great, low seating position with great visibility, and better ride quality than any of the Porsches. One can tell that it's derived from a race car that was designed from the ground up, rather than being a descendant of the VW Bug which has been gradually engineered into being an excellent sports car. And the guys with lots of McLaren experience tell us that the 'higher' McLarens are even better than the 570 ...
I too am starting to look at Lambo.
If you haven't tried a McLaren, I recommend doing so. I got my 570 GT in mint condition at 8,300 miles for $160k and, subjectively, the experience of driving it is well beyond any of my Porsches. Even if I wind up spending tens of thousands of dollars fixing things, the car is still a bargain, and with 1k miles on it so far I've had no issues at all. The power feels comparable to a Turbo S, it's light, nimble and playful mid-engine handling, great hydraulic steering feel, sounds great, low seating position with great visibility, and better ride quality than any of the Porsches. One can tell that it's derived from a race car that was designed from the ground up, rather than being a descendant of the VW Bug which has been gradually engineered into being an excellent sports car. And the guys with lots of McLaren experience tell us that the 'higher' McLarens are even better than the 570 ...
I too am starting to look at Lambo.
I recently dove into Lamborghini and specced my STO. Just arrived. It's very impressive. The V10 is another experience with the valves pinned open. Car feels very durable, no rattles, quick shifts, excellent sterring and braking. My 992 3RS hasn't seen many miles lately as my 4RS and STO have stolen my time driving. I'm a huge Porsche fan and even more so after Rennsport last weekend but expanding to other brands is lot of fun. If someone is paying ADM I would recommend looking around. Mclaren is the only exotic brand I've yet to experience. I do thing the 675 will eventually make it's way to my garage.
Don't tease us. A little mor info pls C.J.
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