Again, forget the past and agree to move forward in a positive way. We're diminished if we hold grudges about communications in an internet forum. We're all better than that.

 

Everyone should not take these things so seriously.

It's only cars we're talking about.

Expensive cars perhaps, but just cars.

It ain't going to make or break any of us.

 

Love it - I personally think all badgering and personal insults should stop - from all angles. Its tiring. You wanna pay an ADM - pay one. You don't want to - that's also cool. You wanna track your car (or not) - track it or don't. You wanna drive it 5 miles or 500 miles a week - bless you. This thread should be about the market conditions - supply and demand that affects the pricing of new or near new 992 GT cars.

 

Really, we talk directly and indirectly about a lot more than just cars, which is why things are often taken personally. If it was just about cars, 90%+ of the RL traffic would go away. But you're right that we shouldn't take any of it too seriously and get upset, because our posts don't reflect how we would and do interact in real life.

 

You are in every single thread in this subforum as the "enforcer" of opinion. Read again what he said.

"Dealer said they sell for $40k markup + Second Maintenance AND $7k paint protection. Salesman said "we might get lucky" as I was 7th on the list. I said I was happy to wait for a later allocation closer to MSRP (I knew this is a longshot but said I have a decent trade)."

They told him $40k ADM from the start. They didn't offer him MSRP then surprise him with an ADM as you seem to suggest. The fact that they were an MSRP dealer prior to his getting on the list is not relevant at all.

You were wrong. Take a breath. You don't have to insert yourself into every single situation in every single thread.

 

I see a lot of keyboard warriors talking trash but when the moderators are doing it I think its way out of line.

 

Having been a moderator myself in other forums, I'll just say, from experience, that moderators need to go out of their way to set a good example and come across as being fair and reasonable. It's a constraining and often thankless job. There were once some moderators on RL who were absolutely horrid, and thank goodness they're all gone.

 

We just need a nice Mare Island beer + Texas BBQ and a pic of USC and DD at RR7

 

I never said they offered him a GT at MSRP, he stated that the dealership was an MSRP dealer and after new ownership that changed and I said that sucks. Btw, do you own a dealership?

This is a public forum with free speech and I'm stating my opinions. Can we agree to disagree? I know that not everyone is going to agree with my opinions/posts and I'm cool with that, don't take this forum so serious.

 

Only if DD has some Texas BBQ with that beer.

 

Aren't you guys both in California? Meet up somewhere and hug it out, you'll both feel better.

 

I'll be at Rennsport so I'm happy to buy him a beer when I'm up there. He lives in Northern California and I go between Southern California and Las Vegas.

 

You called a dealership greedy for having a moderate ADM on a car that’s in line with the market. I responded that they were a business, and in the business to make money. That is all. You have made it your mission in here to call every dealership a stealership that does not offer MSRP cars. It’s odd. We can agree on that.

 

I think that's the point. We don't accept that being a business that makes money means that ADMs are reasonable.
There are many retailers that sell manufactured consumer products at MSRP, no matter how big demand is and how low supply is, and still make a tidy profit. There are many reasons they that they do so and those reasons have to do with making money in the long run. That is, giving customers a consistent buying experience so they keep coming back.
In some countries, ADMs are banned, and the car manufacturers certainly hate ADMs because they turn buyers away, instead of encouraging them to wait for more supply. It's bad for Porsche and it's bad for the consumer. We only have it at all because we have an odd system where dealers aren't owned by Porsche and aren't regulated enough.

 

The beauty of it is you don't have to buy the car if you do not accept it.

By contrast, look at Ferrari. No ADMs but you are placed in a queue, and usually a very long one. You might get the car at MSRP but 2-3 years after you want it, which some can accept but many will not. Some would choose to pay over sticker to not have to wait 2-3 years, while some have the patience. The existence of ADMs in Porsche stores in the US allows some to skip the wait time if they're willing to pay. Many here waited for an MSRP GT3 and got it, but that takes a lot of patience that many car enthusiasts do not have...I don't like ADMs but understand why they exist.