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Old 11-07-2022 | 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DodoBrd
i'd bet the spectrum of personal finances for GT car buyers is pretty big. I'm sure there are many that stretch to make their 84 mo loan payment and many others that MSRP+ADM is a drop in the bucket.
For sure. I wonder where the median is. Finance guy at my Porsche dealer told me that the average annual income that GT3 buyers put on the form is about $250K, but he said that may be underreported because the vast majority pay cash.
Old 11-07-2022 | 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by maroli
Don't think so, just not a particularly well-informed buyer.
You mean like BMW of Cleveland that paid $85,000 over
Were they also a not "well-informed" buyer?

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Originally Posted by yesyoucan
I said the entire Bay Area …. Talk to lambo /mclaren/Ferrari dealers that have way more expensive cars then Porsche and the waiting list is 3x the allocations they have right now .

interest rates higher , stock market tanking and still way more demand for cars then 2019.
Bingo!
Case in point, Prestige in Fremont has a 4 month wait to install PPF.

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Originally Posted by Diablo Dude
You mean like BMW of Cleveland that paid $85,000 over
Were they also a not "well-informed" buyer?

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Of course there are many buyers who aren't well informed. My dealer is underwater on a Porsche he bought a few months ago.

Don't you already own a 992 GT3? Why are you so interested in the prices?

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Yeah I'll get you one on the ground no problem.
You're HILARIOUS.

Old 11-07-2022 | 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
Of course there are many buyers who aren't well informed. My dealer is underwater on a Porsche he bought a few months ago.

Don't you already own a 992 GT3? Why are you so interested in the prices?

I assume they are still trying to make money in the process. I doubt they are throwing money around just to pump up market prices.
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Originally Posted by welikethetrack
992 GT market is in a hilarious free fall fueled by the stealers and new GT buyers that are delusioned into thinking these are investments which is honestly sad they think that.

This market is getting the death by 1,000 knives, and by 1k knives, I mean 1, 1% knife every month for 50 months until 992 GT is 20-3k under sticker which will happen this time next year.

You heard it here first. 20-30k under 992 GT sticker Oct 2023. Here come the 992 GT ADM buyers to tell us they caught the falling knife
I do look forward to revisiting this in October 2023. 992.1 GT3 production is essentially sold out, waiting lists are massive (even with ADM), and they'll be 20-30k UNDER MSRP soon.

Man I needed a good laugh!! Gets me every time.
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Old 11-07-2022 | 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by rusmani
I assume they are still trying to make money in the process. I doubt they are throwing money around just to pump up market prices.
And they may indeed find a sucker who's willing to pay more than that, if they don't get too greedy and set the price too high, with the car not selling while prices fall.
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And they may indeed find a sucker who's willing to pay more than that, if they don't get too greedy and set the price too high, with the car not selling while prices fall.
I'm sure we will be able to see it on their website soon enough, so let's see. Itll be a nice piece of eye candy in the showroom regardless.
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Old 11-08-2022 | 01:27 AM
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FYI The "BMW of Cleveland" winner of that auction is not planning to sell it at their dealership, he specifically mentions he plans to put miles on the car immediately, and also mentions how his dealer does not charge over MSRP, he mentions he is an enthusiast.

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Old 11-08-2022 | 08:13 AM
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https://www.investopedia.com/financi...-of-the-1.aspx

I suspect that the median buyer of a Porsche GT car isn’t in the top 1% by either metric.
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Originally Posted by WCGhost
FYI The "BMW of Cleveland" winner of that auction is not planning to sell it at their dealership, he specifically mentions he plans to put miles on the car immediately, and also mentions how his dealer does not charge over MSRP, he mentions he is an enthusiast.
Just like everyone who got a GT3 over the past year and immediately flips it because their wife says the ride is too harsh, they need a back seat suddenly, etc.
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Jeez… buyers are being crucified if they pay more than what the crucifixers think they should pay
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Originally Posted by Manifold
https://www.investopedia.com/financi...-of-the-1.aspx

I suspect that the median buyer of a Porsche GT car isn’t in the top 1% by either metric.
Agree it’s unlikely by the net worth metric but I don’t know so much about the earnings one - I think that might be true?
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Originally Posted by Diablo Dude
You mean like BMW of Cleveland that paid $85,000 over
Were they also a not "well-informed" buyer?

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Just so I'm clear, you're comparing a 110k over purchase vs $85k over and saying they're the same? That's $25k less. And I'm not exactly of the opinion that dealers are some savvy market prognosticators - how many dealers bought marked up inventory that are now struggling to move it at those prices (not specific to GT3s)
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