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Old 06-20-2022, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Gh0st0
It’s not that bad, if you’ve been invested in the market prior to March 2021 you’re fine. If a small dip makes you reevaluate your life then maybe look inward
This post from mid-May sure isnt aging well.

In fact, it's aging about as well as that $100,000 ADM on the GT3 at Loeber Motors that just sold for $30,000 over last week.
And FWIW, growth stocks/funds peaked in February of 2021. Your post is ridiculous.
ARKK is down 75% since.

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Old 06-20-2022, 06:36 PM
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Personally could care less what the markets do at 33yo.

I’ll check back in 2050
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Old 06-20-2022, 06:47 PM
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The media’s recession alarmism seems to be rubbing off on some RLers. The stock indexes and even BTC are all up 10-20% since as early as 2 years ago, so unless you invested everything since Joe took office or you are heavy in a handful of bad performing stocks you are just seeing what was inevitable, a bubble pop.

what I don’t understand is why the Fed thinks increasing rates is the way to stop inflation since the 3 core inflation drivers (cost of energy, cost of labor, and supply chain) are not dependent on interest rates.
Old 06-20-2022, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Diablo Dude
This post from mid-May sure isnt aging well.

In fact, it's aging about as well as that $100,000 ADM on the GT3 at Loeber Motors that just sold for $30,000 over last week.
And FWIW, growth stocks/funds peaked in February of 2021. Your post is ridiculous.
ARKK is down 75% since.
you are cherry picking one GT3 sale and making broad assumptions. That’s either dumb or intellectually dishonest.

my neighbor just paid $20k ADm for an Escalade. Closest dealer just sold a GT3 allocation for $125k over. Not everyone freaks out and pees their pants when a bubble pops
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Old 06-20-2022, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by DodoBrd
The media’s recession alarmism seems to be rubbing off on some RLers. The stock indexes and even BTC are all up 10-20% since as early as 2 years ago, so unless you invested everything since Joe took office or you are heavy in a handful of bad performing stocks you are just seeing what was inevitable, a bubble pop.

what I don’t understand is why the Fed thinks increasing rates is the way to stop inflation since the 3 core inflation drivers (cost of energy, cost of labor, and supply chain) are not dependent on interest rates.
there’s a lot more going on in the background. The Fed pumped like $8T In liquidity to the markets over the last 3 years, and that’s being withdrawn. Between that and interest rates, the Fed is intentionally destroying demand to limit the core inflation drivers (energy and labor are sensitive to demand destruction, energy especially). And the Saudis are crushing some ********* for fun and profit.

But the overall economic fundamentals are pretty strong and oil prices are being held artificially high.
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Originally Posted by DodoBrd
The media’s recession alarmism seems to be rubbing off on some RLers. The stock indexes and even BTC are all up 10-20% since as early as 2 years ago, so unless you invested everything since Joe took office or you are heavy in a handful of bad performing stocks you are just seeing what was inevitable, a bubble pop.

what I don’t understand is why the Fed thinks increasing rates is the way to stop inflation since the 3 core inflation drivers (cost of energy, cost of labor, and supply chain) are not dependent on interest rates.
I would suggest that you stop looking at just the stock-indexes. That's an overly simplistic way of looking at the equity market.
That's not a real good indication of what has happened since people rotated out of growth stocks and into stodgy "value" names when the economy reopened.
Moreover, it's important to understand that nearly $900 BILLION came into exchange traded and long-only funds in 2021. That's more than the last two decades combined.

More Cash Invested in Stock in 2021 Than Two Decades Combined - Bloomberg

Old 06-20-2022, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DodoBrd
what I don’t understand is why the Fed thinks increasing rates is the way to stop inflation since the 3 core inflation drivers (cost of energy, cost of labor, and supply chain) are not dependent on interest rates.
There are certainly drivers of inflation that are out of the Fed's control.

But at the end of the day they have a credibility problem given how far behind the curve they've been and how they've completely misjudged inflation.
They ignored inflation coming back, were obsessed with the rate of unemployment, and simply passed off inflation as "transitory".

The FED has to create a negative "wealth" effect in order to achieve the demand destruction needed to bring down the core CPI (or the PCE which is what they focus on)

Housing is 40% of the economy, so doubling mortgage rates in only six months will definitely have an impact, not too mention on many commodity prices that go into building homes.
In fact, late last week copper futures broke a key support level at $4.00 - - - Never mind the stock market collapsing and registering the worst week since March of 2020.

The FED grew M2 Money Supply by an unprecedented 40% since March of 2020.
Literally $6.3 Trillion.

And now they are pulling the "punch" bowl away. By the time they figure out that the economy is tanking, it will be too late.
Never mind that they are increasing rates while simultaneously selling off assets from their balance sheet; something that they have never done before and have zero experience with.
The Administration likes to tout the low unemployment rate at 3.6%, but anyone with half a brain knows full well that that metric is a lagging indicator.

There's a good read in this weekend's Barron's from economist Larry Summers regarding monetary policy and the FED.
Page 28.

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Originally Posted by DodoBrd
you are cherry picking one GT3 sale and making broad assumptions. That’s either dumb or intellectually dishonest.
Nonetheless, it's a data-point that happened last week.
I'm sorry if it upsets the "narrative" of a flightless bird that went extinct over 300 years ago.
Old 06-20-2022, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Diablo Dude
Nonetheless, it's a data-point that happened last week.
I'm sorry if it upsets the "narrative" of a flightless bird that went extinct over 300 years ago.
True, but (not me) some have paid zero ADM.

12 months ago 30k was high.
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Old 06-20-2022, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by AlexCeres
the Fed is intentionally destroying demand to limit the core inflation drivers (energy and labor are sensitive to demand destruction, energy especially)
That’s the Fed’s intention, yes, my point is it’s asinine policy. You gotta fix the root cause issue meaning Drill Baby Drill… but Joe won’t because he’s a greenie
Old 06-20-2022, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Diablo Dude
I would suggest that you stop looking at just the stock-indexes. That's an overly simplistic way of looking at the equity market.
That's not a real good indication of what has happened since people rotated out of growth stocks and into stodgy "value" names when the economy reopened.
Moreover, it's important to understand that nearly $900 BILLION came into exchange traded and long-only funds in 2021. That's more than the last two decades combined.

More Cash Invested in Stock in 2021 Than Two Decades Combined - Bloomberg
yes what’s your point? I bring up public stocks because that’s what likes to be said on here it seems. I also brought up crypto.
Old 06-20-2022, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Diablo Dude
There are certainly drivers of inflation that are out of the Fed's control.

But at the end of the day they have a credibility problem given how far behind the curve they've been and how they've completely misjudged inflation.
They ignored inflation coming back, were obsessed with the rate of unemployment, and simply passed off inflation as "transitory".

The FED has to create a negative "wealth" effect in order to achieve the demand destruction needed to bring down the core CPI (or the PCE which is what they focus on)

Housing is 40% of the economy, so doubling mortgage rates in only six months will definitely have an impact, not too mention on many commodity prices that go into building homes.
In fact, late last week copper futures broke a key support level at $4.00 - - - Never mind the stock market collapsing and registering the worst week since March of 2020.

The FED grew M2 Money Supply by an unprecedented 40% since March of 2020.
Literally $6.3 Trillion.

And now they are pulling the "punch" bowl away. By the time they figure out that the economy is tanking, it will be too late.
Never mind that they are increasing rates while simultaneously selling off assets from their balance sheet; something that they have never done before and have zero experience with.
The Administration likes to tout the low unemployment rate at 3.6%, but anyone with half a brain knows full well that that metric is a lagging indicator.

There's a good read in this weekend's Barron's from economist Larry Summers regarding monetary policy and the FED.
Page 28.
I’ll just summarize my response as… there should not be a small handful of people dictating the economic policies behind closed doors (or the Fed). The Fed wields waaaayyyy too much power, centralized at the top (reminds me of how socialist systems try to be set up).
Old 06-20-2022, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Diablo Dude
Nonetheless, it's a data-point that happened last week.
I'm sorry if it upsets the "narrative" of a flightless bird that went extinct over 300 years ago.
you don’t understand how data vs information vs wisdom works I guess dude
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Originally Posted by DodoBrd
That’s the Fed’s intention, yes, my point is it’s asinine policy. You gotta fix the root cause issue meaning Drill Baby Drill… but Joe won’t because he’s a greenie
Contrary to your erroneous claim, the U.S. is still producing the same 11.9 million barrels per day under Trump in 2019.

Never mind that the business model of the fracking industry has changed over the years after running up over $200 Billion of red ink since 2010.

This Week In Petroleum Crude Oil Section - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)



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