ipse dixit

At least it's true in North America, largely the most significant market for GT cars.

groundhog

Well thats not the case.....

The total number of Series II 991 GT3 RS ~ is about 5,000 units and the total number of Series II 991 GT3 ~ 10,000 units - the US accounts for about 5,000 units or 33%, its also the lowest margin market,

The 992 RS needs something revolutionary - heres a thought, flip the engine and gear box as per the RSR - given it has two seats, there is no issue

Dear Porsche - might be time to listen to your customers that pay the big margins .....

"What does give me great pleasure is our cars are seen as sporting instruments, not collector cars" he continues "They get used, and used hard. Thats the biggest possible motivator to improve the product - because we know our customers will appreciate the effort and results"
Preuninger, 2018.

You should survey some of your RS customers......that would be a start..........Q1 ask them what type of licences they hold and get them to provide numbers for verification. This will allow you to weight the survey.

Time for the talkers to retire and the doers to step up to the plate and the apologists to stand aside............

n2cars

Drifting

ipse stated that north america is the most significant market for GT cars. You replied that it's not the case because the NA market only buys 1/3 of the GT cars.
I highly doubt there is another single market that is responsible for more than 33% of Porsche GT car sales. The only other large market competing for overall Porsche sales with north america is China. However, China is full of poseur drivers, so they mostly sell Porsche SUVs, with relatively few GT car sales relative to overall Porsche sales. So please provide evidence that there is another single market in the world that is responsible for more than 33% of all Porsche GT car sales??? I didn't think so.....


North America is by far the most important market for Porsche GT cars. The 991.2 GT3 came with a manual...because of the complaints and desire from NA to have a Porsche GT car with a manual option. That certainly didn't happen because of influence from China.

sp330

The 720S starts at a price 3x higher than a Carrera does, I'd hope it would be more exciting and innovative than derivatives of the latter. I don't think many are happy with the cheapening of the cabin and the bloat of a 992 but we're still going to buy them. Because what else is there like it? And Porsche hasn't yet done a GT-Sport like BMW and Mercedes have watered down M and AMG so I don't think it's all bad.

groundhog

Not really - from a sales perspective it breaks down into 3 blocks (a) North America (b) Europe and (c) S.E. Asia. I'm not interested in manual GT3s, for me they are a pointless exercise - I am interested in seeing Porsche push hard with with their top flight products like the RS. By this I mean more innovation in terms of weight reduction, balance, suspension and aero. The current RS is a tour de force of what can only be described as yesterdays technology. Nothing wrong with that as it has produced an effective car - and highly reliable - both big wins, but not something that has moved the game on - and to be frank, if anything is moving the game on its tires.

In my market the 720S was about 40% more, is it 40% more car? No, is it 40% more interesting from a design and engineering perspective - yes and then some. If you park them side by side at a meet which gets the most attention? easily the mantis green 720S. Which is the most interesting from inside - the 720S, which has the best ride - the 720S, which delivers the most explosive performance - the 720S. In contrast, I have come to think of the RS as a very good work tool - its incredibly effective at what it does. This sounds like I'm damning the RS with feint praise. Thats not the case. In fact is very clear compliment.

This made me laugh - I don't mind dealing with "head office", they are pretty sensible most of the time. At the end of the day they need to sell product and to do this they have to keep their customers happy. Business is no different to high level sport, or SO/SF military - you have to be able to take honest constructive criticism as well as dish it out. Thats how "teams" improve.

AllAboutThatP

I certainly would have no issue with Porsche pushing the RS to new levels. I love mine, but I want even more. Take the GT3R or the RSR and make it barely street legal and I’d buy one!

sp330

40% comparing to a C2? Yes, that can certainly change one's perspective. Post some pics love green 720s!

GiuseppeM

But how reliable is the 720s compared to the RS?

groundhog

apologies - price comparison was relative to a RS.

Also, so far, the 720s has been very reliable - however, I don’t use it as a track toy - only sees occasional track time - end of season family events that sort of thing.

Drifting

Yes, specifically with track work. The 720S is an amazing car, and I agree that mclaren is trying to push the envelope vs rest on their laurels (like Porsche), but I also know I would trust an RS to not break down over 20 track days in a single year, much more than I'd rely on any Mclaren.

groundhog

From Sport Auto (via Google translate).

"But that's exactly what the GT3 RS will have to do if it switches to Generation 992. How does he want to do that? Let me answer with a rumor that has been haunting the scene for some time. It says that the GT 911 will also be conceptually based on the racing car in the future. In other words: that his engine could move a good bit towards the middle, between the axles. Is there something there? Let's see if a denial email comes in."

Porschian

Maybe even debut .1 with hybrid tech before the standard cars

Guest89

They have been adamant about not doing that since the introduction of the “mid-engined” RSR in Los Angeles. That car was superseded by the evolutionary RSR-19 - there is no 992-based 911 race car available yet.

groundhog

That paragraph came from Sport Auto - the leading motoring magazine in Germany. The article was about the GT3 RS following the move over to ITB. The RSR is mid engined, so there is no reason not to make an RS with that configuration - it will be a better car in every way.

Porsche have to evolve in a competitive market. The reasons for the mid-engined RSR are tire wear and aero. Mid engined cars have better tire wear characteristics because of the better weight distribution - the aero through more space underneath allowing for larger a diffusers. Meaning more down force without increasing drag. Sounds like a good recipe to me for the RS.