992 GT car specs
#151
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Nonsense - thats a North American perspective. In other parts of the world people pay a lot more for their P Cars (and other forms of high performance cars). In fact I would go as far as to say GT developments and obvious improvements are held back by the North American market - which appears very traditional, conservative even.
#152
Well thats not the case.....
The total number of Series II 991 GT3 RS ~ is about 5,000 units and the total number of Series II 991 GT3 ~ 10,000 units - the US accounts for about 5,000 units or 33%, its also the lowest margin market,
The 992 RS needs something revolutionary - heres a thought, flip the engine and gear box as per the RSR - given it has two seats, there is no issue
Dear Porsche - might be time to listen to your customers that pay the big margins .....
"What does give me great pleasure is our cars are seen as sporting instruments, not collector cars" he continues "They get used, and used hard. Thats the biggest possible motivator to improve the product - because we know our customers will appreciate the effort and results"
Preuninger, 2018.
You should survey some of your RS customers......that would be a start..........Q1 ask them what type of licences they hold and get them to provide numbers for verification. This will allow you to weight the survey.
Time for the talkers to retire and the doers to step up to the plate and the apologists to stand aside............
The total number of Series II 991 GT3 RS ~ is about 5,000 units and the total number of Series II 991 GT3 ~ 10,000 units - the US accounts for about 5,000 units or 33%, its also the lowest margin market,
The 992 RS needs something revolutionary - heres a thought, flip the engine and gear box as per the RSR - given it has two seats, there is no issue
Dear Porsche - might be time to listen to your customers that pay the big margins .....
"What does give me great pleasure is our cars are seen as sporting instruments, not collector cars" he continues "They get used, and used hard. Thats the biggest possible motivator to improve the product - because we know our customers will appreciate the effort and results"
Preuninger, 2018.
You should survey some of your RS customers......that would be a start..........Q1 ask them what type of licences they hold and get them to provide numbers for verification. This will allow you to weight the survey.
Time for the talkers to retire and the doers to step up to the plate and the apologists to stand aside............
Last edited by groundhog; 04-20-2020 at 10:28 AM.
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#153
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Well thats not the case.....
The total number of Series II 991 GT3 RS ~ is about 5,000 units and the total number of Series II 991 GT3 ~ 10,000 units - the US accounts for about 5,000 units or 33%, its also the lowest margin market,
The 992 RS needs something revolutionary - heres a thought, flip the engine and gear box as per the RSR - given it has two seats, there is no issue
Dear Porsche - might be time to listen to your customers that pay the big margins .....
"What does give me great pleasure is our cars are seen as sporting instruments, not collector cars" he continues "They get used, and used hard. Thats the biggest possible motivator to improve the product - because we know our customers will appreciate the effort and results"
Preuninger, 2018.
You should survey some of your RS customers......that would be a start..........Q1 ask them what type of licences they hold and get them to provide numbers for verification. This will allow you to weight the survey.
Time for the talkers to retire and the doers to step up to the plate and the apologists to stand aside............
The total number of Series II 991 GT3 RS ~ is about 5,000 units and the total number of Series II 991 GT3 ~ 10,000 units - the US accounts for about 5,000 units or 33%, its also the lowest margin market,
The 992 RS needs something revolutionary - heres a thought, flip the engine and gear box as per the RSR - given it has two seats, there is no issue
Dear Porsche - might be time to listen to your customers that pay the big margins .....
"What does give me great pleasure is our cars are seen as sporting instruments, not collector cars" he continues "They get used, and used hard. Thats the biggest possible motivator to improve the product - because we know our customers will appreciate the effort and results"
Preuninger, 2018.
You should survey some of your RS customers......that would be a start..........Q1 ask them what type of licences they hold and get them to provide numbers for verification. This will allow you to weight the survey.
Time for the talkers to retire and the doers to step up to the plate and the apologists to stand aside............
#154
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I highly doubt there is another single market that is responsible for more than 33% of Porsche GT car sales. The only other large market competing for overall Porsche sales with north america is China. However, China is full of poseur drivers, so they mostly sell Porsche SUVs, with relatively few GT car sales relative to overall Porsche sales. So please provide evidence that there is another single market in the world that is responsible for more than 33% of all Porsche GT car sales??? I didn't think so.....
North America is by far the most important market for Porsche GT cars. The 991.2 GT3 came with a manual...because of the complaints and desire from NA to have a Porsche GT car with a manual option. That certainly didn't happen because of influence from China.
Last edited by Drifting; 04-20-2020 at 07:34 PM.
#155
Nonsense - thats a North American perspective. In other parts of the world people pay a lot more for their P Cars (and other forms of high performance cars). In fact I would go as far as to say GT developments and obvious improvements are held back by the North American market - which appears very traditional, conservative even.
I have to say my 720S is a far more exciting, interesting and innovative car than my GT3 RS - the RS is still excellent, but it could be a lot better base car and the GT3 manual is a total why bother (at least from my perspective).
I really find the 718 Spyder far more interesting than the likely ever larger, ever heavier 992 GT3 with an extra 20 HP thrown on top. The GT3 no longer has a mission or purpose - it will become a bloated parody of the 996 GT3 - which, guess what was the size of the Cayman. In essence, the GT3 is starting to suffer from serious mission creep - in my mind the 997 II GT3 was the pinnacle of that genre.
I have to say my 720S is a far more exciting, interesting and innovative car than my GT3 RS - the RS is still excellent, but it could be a lot better base car and the GT3 manual is a total why bother (at least from my perspective).
I really find the 718 Spyder far more interesting than the likely ever larger, ever heavier 992 GT3 with an extra 20 HP thrown on top. The GT3 no longer has a mission or purpose - it will become a bloated parody of the 996 GT3 - which, guess what was the size of the Cayman. In essence, the GT3 is starting to suffer from serious mission creep - in my mind the 997 II GT3 was the pinnacle of that genre.
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thigos (04-21-2020)
#156
ipse stated that north america is the most significant market for GT cars. You replied that it's not the case because the NA market only buys 1/3 of the GT cars.
I highly doubt there is another single market that is responsible for more than 33% of Porsche GT car sales. The only other large market competing for overall Porsche sales with north america is China. However, China is full of poseur drivers, so they mostly sell Porsche SUVs, with relatively few GT car sales relative to overall Porsche sales. So please provide evidence that there is another single market in the world that is responsible for more than 33% of all Porsche GT car sales??? I didn't think so.....
North America is by far the most important market for Porsche GT cars. The 991.2 GT3 came with a manual...because of the complaints and desire from NA to have a Porsche GT car with a manual option. That certainly didn't happen because of influence from China.
I highly doubt there is another single market that is responsible for more than 33% of Porsche GT car sales. The only other large market competing for overall Porsche sales with north america is China. However, China is full of poseur drivers, so they mostly sell Porsche SUVs, with relatively few GT car sales relative to overall Porsche sales. So please provide evidence that there is another single market in the world that is responsible for more than 33% of all Porsche GT car sales??? I didn't think so.....
North America is by far the most important market for Porsche GT cars. The 991.2 GT3 came with a manual...because of the complaints and desire from NA to have a Porsche GT car with a manual option. That certainly didn't happen because of influence from China.
The 720S starts at a price 3x higher than a Carrera does, I'd hope it would be more exciting and innovative than derivatives of the latter. I don't think many are happy with the cheapening of the cabin and the bloat of a 992 but we're still going to buy them. Because what else is there like it? And Porsche hasn't yet done a GT-Sport like BMW and Mercedes have watered down M and AMG so I don't think it's all bad.
This made me laugh - I don't mind dealing with "head office", they are pretty sensible most of the time. At the end of the day they need to sell product and to do this they have to keep their customers happy. Business is no different to high level sport, or SO/SF military - you have to be able to take honest constructive criticism as well as dish it out. Thats how "teams" improve.
Last edited by groundhog; 04-21-2020 at 02:51 AM.
#157
I certainly would have no issue with Porsche pushing the RS to new levels. I love mine, but I want even more. Take the GT3R or the RSR and make it barely street legal and I’d buy one!
#158
Not really - from a sales perspective it breaks down into 3 blocks (a) North America (b) Europe and (c) S.E. Asia. I'm not interested in manual GT3s, for me they are a pointless exercise - I am interested in seeing Porsche push hard with with their top flight products like the RS. By this I mean more innovation in terms of weight reduction, balance, suspension and aero. The current RS is a tour de force of what can only be described as yesterdays technology. Nothing wrong with that as it has produced an effective car - and highly reliable - both big wins, but not something that has moved the game on - and to be frank, if anything is moving the game on its tires.
In my market the 720S was about 40% more, is it 40% more car? No, is it 40% more interesting from a design and engineering perspective - yes and then some. If you park them side by side at a meet which gets the most attention? easily the mantis green 720S. Which is the most interesting from inside - the 720S, which has the best ride - the 720S, which delivers the most explosive performance - the 720S. In contrast, I have come to think of the RS as a very good work tool - its incredibly effective at what it does. This sounds like I'm damning the RS with feint praise. Thats not the case. In fact is very clear compliment.
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In my market the 720S was about 40% more, is it 40% more car? No, is it 40% more interesting from a design and engineering perspective - yes and then some. If you park them side by side at a meet which gets the most attention? easily the mantis green 720S. Which is the most interesting from inside - the 720S, which has the best ride - the 720S, which delivers the most explosive performance - the 720S. In contrast, I have come to think of the RS as a very good work tool - its incredibly effective at what it does. This sounds like I'm damning the RS with feint praise. Thats not the case. In fact is very clear compliment.
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#159
Not really - from a sales perspective it breaks down into 3 blocks (a) North America (b) Europe and (c) S.E. Asia. I'm not interested in manual GT3s, for me they are a pointless exercise - I am interested in seeing Porsche push hard with with their top flight products like the RS. By this I mean more innovation in terms of weight reduction, balance, suspension and aero. The current RS is a tour de force of what can only be described as yesterdays technology. Nothing wrong with that as it has produced an effective car - and highly reliable - both big wins, but not something that has moved the game on - and to be frank, if anything is moving the game on its tires.
In my market the 720S was about 40% more, is it 40% more car? No, is it 40% more interesting from a design and engineering perspective - yes and then some. If you park them side by side at a meet which gets the most attention? easily the mantis green 720S. Which is the most interesting from inside - the 720S, which has the best ride - the 720S, which delivers the most explosive performance - the 720S. In contrast, I have come to think of the RS as a very good work tool - its incredibly effective at what it does. This sounds like I'm damning the RS with feint praise. Thats not the case. In fact is very clear compliment.
This made me laugh - I don't mind dealing with "head office", they are pretty sensible most of the time. At the end of the day they need to sell product and to do this they have to keep their customers happy. Business is no different to high level sport, or SO/SF military - you have to be able to take honest constructive criticism as well as dish it out. Thats how "teams" improve.
In my market the 720S was about 40% more, is it 40% more car? No, is it 40% more interesting from a design and engineering perspective - yes and then some. If you park them side by side at a meet which gets the most attention? easily the mantis green 720S. Which is the most interesting from inside - the 720S, which has the best ride - the 720S, which delivers the most explosive performance - the 720S. In contrast, I have come to think of the RS as a very good work tool - its incredibly effective at what it does. This sounds like I'm damning the RS with feint praise. Thats not the case. In fact is very clear compliment.
This made me laugh - I don't mind dealing with "head office", they are pretty sensible most of the time. At the end of the day they need to sell product and to do this they have to keep their customers happy. Business is no different to high level sport, or SO/SF military - you have to be able to take honest constructive criticism as well as dish it out. Thats how "teams" improve.
But how reliable is the 720s compared to the RS?
#160
Also, so far, the 720s has been very reliable - however, I don’t use it as a track toy - only sees occasional track time - end of season family events that sort of thing.
#161
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Yes, specifically with track work. The 720S is an amazing car, and I agree that mclaren is trying to push the envelope vs rest on their laurels (like Porsche), but I also know I would trust an RS to not break down over 20 track days in a single year, much more than I'd rely on any Mclaren.
#162
From Sport Auto (via Google translate).
"But that's exactly what the GT3 RS will have to do if it switches to Generation 992. How does he want to do that? Let me answer with a rumor that has been haunting the scene for some time. It says that the GT 911 will also be conceptually based on the racing car in the future. In other words: that his engine could move a good bit towards the middle, between the axles. Is there something there? Let's see if a denial email comes in."
"But that's exactly what the GT3 RS will have to do if it switches to Generation 992. How does he want to do that? Let me answer with a rumor that has been haunting the scene for some time. It says that the GT 911 will also be conceptually based on the racing car in the future. In other words: that his engine could move a good bit towards the middle, between the axles. Is there something there? Let's see if a denial email comes in."
#163
We'll likely see the non-GT .2's get hybrid stuff and that is going to be the "big" change for the .2's. So I would guess the .2 GT cars will also see it but stick with the NA engine, will improve emissions slightly but rather than trying to squeeze another 20-30hp out of the 4.0/4.2, they will get another 50hp out of a small hybrid motor. I'd guess lithium battery, only a few kwh, but enough to do some regen/boost in and out of corners on the track. Will be a non-starter though if the system adds more than 100kg of weight.
#164
Drifting
From Sport Auto (via Google translate).
"But that's exactly what the GT3 RS will have to do if it switches to Generation 992. How does he want to do that? Let me answer with a rumor that has been haunting the scene for some time. It says that the GT 911 will also be conceptually based on the racing car in the future. In other words: that his engine could move a good bit towards the middle, between the axles. Is there something there? Let's see if a denial email comes in."
"But that's exactly what the GT3 RS will have to do if it switches to Generation 992. How does he want to do that? Let me answer with a rumor that has been haunting the scene for some time. It says that the GT 911 will also be conceptually based on the racing car in the future. In other words: that his engine could move a good bit towards the middle, between the axles. Is there something there? Let's see if a denial email comes in."
#165
Porsche have to evolve in a competitive market. The reasons for the mid-engined RSR are tire wear and aero. Mid engined cars have better tire wear characteristics because of the better weight distribution - the aero through more space underneath allowing for larger a diffusers. Meaning more down force without increasing drag. Sounds like a good recipe to me for the RS.