Drifting

The 992 GT car forum has been open for a couple days now, and has been more silent than I expected. Before someone starts a damn value thread, I thought I'd start something more fun regarding future 992 GT cars. It's an interesting time for Porsche GT cars, as all of their competitors have gone turbo, and both turbo and electric cars threaten to eclipse the performance of ICE cars, though certainly not the driving enjoyment of a high revving NA engine coupled with the best suspension Porsche makes. We can typically expect incremental change from Porsche, but given current market pressures they may have to move more aggresively than Porsche would prefer to at some point. Anyway, here are my 992 GT model predictions

992.1 GT3, NA engine (the 991.2 RS engine) +/- ITB from the speedster, 4.0L, 520 HP, 346 torque, keeps 7 speed PDK-S, and 6 speed manual option from last generation. rear quarter panels are now aluminum like other 992 cars, GT cars don't need the extra support beams for hybrid components like the carrera, and new PF exhaust system is lighter than previous 3 muffler exhaust, so the 992.1 GT3 is 30 lbs lighter than the 991.2 GT3. Extra aero of course, now with swan neck rear wing and front S ducts. Interior looks less racy compared to 991 GT cars as the 992 GT cars do still get the different PDK-S lever, and extra interior alcantara trim, but unfortunately all the internal electronic screens, and piano keyboard area all remain the same as the 992 carrera. Rear end is much uglier due to the 992 rear styling with big light bar and ugly block letters. However, due to extra power and improved tires/aero, the ring time is reduced to 6:59 min. GT3 touring sold alongside the winged GT3 after a delay of just 2-3 months. MSRP 158K

992.1 RS, larger displacement NA engine from the new RSR, so 4.2L, 550HP, 360-363 torque, PDK-S only (except the 50th anniversary RS special limited edition which will be manual only). The 992.1 RS has approximately the same overall weight as 991.2 RS because the increased engine displacement and new wider track and active aero adds some weight, but rest of car is lighter for the reasons I described for 992.1 GT3, so the overall weight is the same as the 991.2 RS. The interior/rear exterior styling, both uglier just like the 992 GT3. Aero is much improved with active aero rear wing and S-duct in the front. Ring time of 6:46. MSRP 202K

992.2 GT3, gets the 992.1 RS engine, so same NA 4.2L, 550HP, 360-363 torque, keeps 7 speed PDK-S, and 6 speed manual option. S-duct in front, possibly active aero in rear. Slightly heavier than 992.1 GT3 due to larger engine. .2 GT3 touring sold alongside winged cars from day 1. The ugly 992 rear styling is toned down a bit for .2 GT models. There will not be a GT3 cabriolet as some believe, but there will only be an NA, 992.2 GT3 based Speedster at a crazy price at the end of 992 production for high rollers.

992.2 RS. This is the toughest prediction. Porsche could go the 991.2 RS route, and just try to extract a touch more performance from the same 4.2L NA engine so 570HP, 370 torque, or they may go NA-hybrid which adds much more weight, but also much more power. Hybrid 992.2 RS is more likely if the 992.2 carrera also goes hybrid. RS still PDK-S only. A touch more aero.

Thoughts?

Porsche911GTS'16

Interesting predictions. I have heard rumors that the GT3 is going to become a lifestyle brand and more watered down. In other words, we may someday have a GT3 cab, SUV, etc. If Porsche does, in fact, go down that road of watering down the GT3 badge, then I would not put it past them to put back seats in some of the "GT3" offerings, including a cab and the Touring.

Drifting

bloody hell. If the Porsche GT car brand becomes watered down like the BMW M, and Mercedes AMG brands, with SUVs and convertibles and every third Porsche getting a GT badge, then my current 991.2 GT3 will be the last new Porsche GT car I ever purchase.

GrantG

Your torque numbers are a little too low. The 991.2 RS has 346 ft-lbs. If the 992.1 GT3 uses same motor with a little more power, then it should also have a little more torque (so about 350 ft-lbs).

And if the 992.1 RS gets 4.2L, then we should see a proportional increase in torque as well, so about 367 ft-lbs.

dmk2

You forgot one, the 72' RS tribute car.

Drifting

You are right about the torque of the 4.0L engine. They will likely just slightly surpass the 991.2 RS so about 347ft lbs makes sense for the 991.2 GT3.

With the Porsche GT cars, they tend to not increase the torque very much at once. I don't think we would see anything more than 363 for the 4.2L 992.1 RS. Have we ever seen Porsche increase the torque of a GT car by more than 15 ft-lbs between generations/facelifts? (even when increasing displacement)

993turboplease

Predictions on the Touring having the PDK-S option as well as the manual?

GrantG

Torque is pretty much proportional to displacement (except in some cases where they have artificially limited it, like with the GT4 to stay within the gearbox’s limits). If they add 5% displacement (4.0 to 4.2L), then you should also expect 5% more torque (plus a bit more if they raise compression or improve efficiency).

With NA engines, you can get more HP per Liter just by spinning to higher revs. But Torque per Liter is pretty much determined by the fact that pump gasoline can only yield so much energy per volume on each explosion. There’s a very strong connection between displacement and torque (a very narrow window of variability).

But I’m not going to argue about a difference between 363 and 367. That’s 1% and nobody is going to tell the difference either way...

Rxpert

While I completely agree that watering down the “GT” moniker to each and every Porsche model line would be a terrible travesty, I have to say that I’m one of those guys that absolutely wish back seats were at least an option in the GT3.

I’ve got a 2 year son and another one on the way in the oven and although this car will primarily be my summer evenings/weekend/auto-x/track car it’s really unfortunate to not be able to drive it as much as I want if we have to go somewhere as a family. I’d easily trade a couple tenths of a second on my lap times to be able to drive this car more.

For those of you who will suggest a GT car isn’t for me and that I should just get a Turbo with back seats: A manual transmission & NA motor are more important than back seats to me. It just sucks the car will sit in the garage more than it should. I just want to drive it even if it’s just to drop the kids off at daycare!!!

Drifting

I could live with rear seats being an option for the GT3. You're not the only guy I've heard from in your situation.

However, I could never live with a GT3 moniker on a Porsche SUV or a regular production GT3 cabriolet. If either of those two things happen, then all German sports car manufacturers will be dead to me, (Not just Mercedes and BMW, for the bastardization of their once proud M and AMG lines, (and for making nothing but heavy soulless turbo barges the last 5 years))

Drifting

What is the feeling on when the 992 GT3 will be announced? Geneva 2020? Goodwood 2020?

Would particularly love to hear from those with good cleaning ladies like Chris3963, Whoopsy, or C.J........

tvasbn

My only prediction is that will have alot of manuals, even on RS.

tvasbn

Rumors are Turbo at Geneve and GT3 at Goodwood, but lately manufactures are lunching models in own events(see latest VW Caddy, Golf) they have better covrege

Guest89

At this point, it’s unlikely to be Geneva.

The turbo has had press drives in mules (with lots of pics) and the leak a few days ago of a red coupe.

The GT3 will be later - Goodwood, I suppose.

Geneva will be Turbo and the 718 GTS 4.0 twins, I believe.

Rxpert

+1000! Where are all the cleaning ladies gone to????

I’m honestly surprised how quiet the “rumor” mill has been with the 992 GT3. The 991.2 GT3 speculation thread was MASSIVE and now for the 992....tumbleweed....

I have a feeling Porsche is really cracking down on their NDAs