HOT FOR SALE: Pick of the Week 991
#4577
Race Director
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by longhua
Bought from individual. They are chasing the warranty information for me.
#4578
So it looks like the mileage was just a typo, but this car was purchase by the dealership. Is that unusual for a non-Porsche dealership to purchase a 911? If it were a purchase at auction the auction would've come up on the carfax right? I'm getting close to pulling the trigger but wanted to see if there're any flags I should be thinking about.
http://www.carfax.com/VehicleHistory...AB2A91ES121946
I have seen a number of 911s that have been traded for cars from other marques, and so ended up on that dealer's lot. E.g., a 911 on a Chevy lot (traded for a Corvette), on a MB lot (traded for an SL), on a Maserati lot (traded for a QuattroP), on a Kia lot (traded for a Sedona minivan ), etc.
Most of the time, these dealers will perform a quid-pro-quo trade with their local Porsche dealer that has something that they would like to sell in turn.
But otherwise, they are probably more willing to deal on a 911, since it's not a car they sell often, and would like to move as soon as possible.
#4580
Race Director
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by longhua
Trade on a Kia Sedona? Holy crap.....
#4582
Carfax is owned by IHS, a business analytics conglomerate. Autocheck is owned by Experian, a credit-reporting company.
With Carfax, you can get really detailed maintenance/service records, e.g.:
This does require the dealer to sign up with Carfax for data collection, however; and not every dealer chooses to do so.
Carfax tends to provide a more holistic and useful timeline view of the total life of the car, especially if it has had multiple owners. It also includes accident details, but the downside here is that some of those "accidents" can be false positives - e.g., a shopping cart that hits a bumper gets typed into the database as a "major collision."
I know some people who work in dealerships that have been migrating towards Autocheck because it is apparently less expensive than Carfax for report generation.
Personally, I prefer Carfax because the report is easier to read and understand; but neither is an absolute guarantee. No matter if you get a Carfax or an Autocheck, I would want to get an independent PPI performed.
With Carfax, you can get really detailed maintenance/service records, e.g.:
This does require the dealer to sign up with Carfax for data collection, however; and not every dealer chooses to do so.
Carfax tends to provide a more holistic and useful timeline view of the total life of the car, especially if it has had multiple owners. It also includes accident details, but the downside here is that some of those "accidents" can be false positives - e.g., a shopping cart that hits a bumper gets typed into the database as a "major collision."
I know some people who work in dealerships that have been migrating towards Autocheck because it is apparently less expensive than Carfax for report generation.
Personally, I prefer Carfax because the report is easier to read and understand; but neither is an absolute guarantee. No matter if you get a Carfax or an Autocheck, I would want to get an independent PPI performed.
#4583
autocheck and carfax
i was talking to a sales mgr at a dealer during my search and he told me that carfax does not include police reports. it only scrapes info from dealers and ins cos if i recall correctly. whereas autocheck will pick up any incidents reported to the police.
not sure how accurate all this is but i think the takeaway is that you should get all that is available and insist on both carfax and autocheck, and to do a thorough ppi, especially if dealing with a seller you arent familiar with.
not sure how accurate all this is but i think the takeaway is that you should get all that is available and insist on both carfax and autocheck, and to do a thorough ppi, especially if dealing with a seller you arent familiar with.
#4585
You can retain the services of a P-dealer to do a PPI, especially if the car is at a non-P dealer (independent or other marque or private sale).
Otherwise, if the car is already at a P-dealer, there are indie Porsche repair shops in all of the major metro areas - LA, San Francisco, Chicago, Boston, NY, etc. that will do PPIs. Search this forum and/or 6speedonline and/or google for terms like "Porsche PPI [Insert city name here]" and you should get what you need.
Otherwise, if the car is already at a P-dealer, there are indie Porsche repair shops in all of the major metro areas - LA, San Francisco, Chicago, Boston, NY, etc. that will do PPIs. Search this forum and/or 6speedonline and/or google for terms like "Porsche PPI [Insert city name here]" and you should get what you need.
#4587
Rennlist Member
#4588
Former Vendor
That dealer's cost could be the exact same ($4K) that you the consumer would have to pay. $4K is quite a large chunk!
#4589
Race Director
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by Gene@AtlantaPerimeter
pfbz is correct. Parts and Sales Departments don't always work with the Sales department based on cost. It has to be mutually beneficial to all parties.
That dealer's cost could be the exact same ($4K) that you the consumer would have to pay. $4K is quite a large chunk!
That dealer's cost could be the exact same ($4K) that you the consumer would have to pay. $4K is quite a large chunk!
One dealer I use has a great SA and master tech. I buy zero parts from them. Their parts dept charges OVER MSRP which is insane. The SA is frustrated with the parts dept because his customers complain about getting gouged. The parts manager is only concerned about showing good profit margins and is oblivious to the fact of total profit dollars. What does he care? He's probably rewarded on the margin and not directly on total sales. Some businesses are so screwed up. Such short sighted views and too many people looking out for themselves versus for the whole dealership. Oh well!! Their loss. I spend my $$$ where it goes the furthest.
#4590