carrera4esq

Don't be hating on the "autotragic" Miata. I recently purchased a autotragic 100AE Miata RF for my wife - and to keep my Targa GTS company. They actually make a nice couple. My wife can't drive a stick and since the roads in Long Island are truly "tragic," I prefer my wife concentrate on avoiding potholes rather than shifting.
Dollar for dollar, the Miata is a great little all around sports car (unless you are more than 6 feet tall.) In fact, we took the Miata to a Porsche show over this past weekend (I know, sacrilege) and the Miata got more positive attention in the parking lot than my 911 received the last time I brought it to a show.
All this being said- Porsche, there is no substitute!!

PDXCaymanR

I'm looking for pricing advice for a Silver 2013 C4 MT 65k mi. One small story, a truck backed into the front bumper so that was re-sprayed. Otherwise clean.

Noah Fect

Here's a reason: those early F1 gearboxes were terrible, while PDK is not.

tlippold

Proof things are out of control

https://mart.pca.org/ads/50512

Schn3ll

At least he put a lot of effort into the listing of that exorbitant price…

tlippold

No ****, does not even list the VIN

tlippold

No ****, does not even list the VIN

luv2sleep

That’s a better teaching/learning technique.

Bob in NY

Must be 100k Canadian $$

jfischet

for future reference, specs were: 2013 911 Carrera S, coupe, 21k miles, 7MT, $100k

manifold danger

Better examples than Ferrari in terms of scale... but also the E46 SMG is another TERRIBLE transmission and only got marginally better in the E92; both of those are mostly actively avoided by buyers. The Corvettes are interesting because there are plenty of them and I've driven a C7 auto that wasn't bad... but I think again, the driving experience of the slushboxes isn't quite on par with the PDK.

Ultimately I'm not totally disagreeing with you, these are enthusiast cars and will be actively sought after by enthusiasts, to include manual transmission enthusiasts who will accept no compromise. That will drive prices up. That will likely happen to the 911s as well but it hasn't taken hold for the 991 just yet- and I think a large part of the reason why is because the PDK is such a great option that people actually DO accept the compromise when they find a 991 they like... we'll see if that extends beyond this weird COVID market when things return to "normal"...

No effort, I already said this...


But I like seeing the validation.

The car is super clean... but like several others posted in here, asking price is != selling price. It would be really interesting if this car actually sold for close to six figures.

visitador

Let's face it, it is what it is. More people bought PDKs when new. So more in the used market. Any "value" potential buyer who wanted a 991.1 manual at depreciated prices in the $50k has by now missed the boat. Either you bought new and hold the car forever or bought one by 2019/early 2020.

Noah Fect

Sorry, I didn't see your post in time, but yes, consider your point validated.

Another relevant consideration is that the Ferrari gated shifter was a hill worth dying on, while Porsche manual shifters are, generally speaking, not.

Yes, Porsche's manual transmissions range from decent to superb, and yes, there were certainly aspects of the Ferrari gearboxes that sucked... but a nicely-executed shift through those metal gates yielded a sensation like no other. No PDK ever shifted faster than a 1-2 shift in a beat-up 308 under the right conditions. You needed the right olio cambio temperature and you needed the right speed and throttle position and you needed a good mental model of the inertia tensor of the transverse V8 and you needed to keep track of the compression state of the motor mounts and you needed to get right with God... but when all of the preconditions were satisfied, the reward was incomparable.

Porsches don't do that, at least not for me. That's fine, they have plenty of other redeeming qualities. So, PDK it is.

manifold danger

Good point. I’d add that the R8 gated manual also probably falls in this category.

Joec500

That is crazy I bought my similar specc'd car 4 years ago, same color, specs, manual for $84k from a dealer with similar miles.