991 pricing is out of control right now
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Don't be hating on the "autotragic" Miata. I recently purchased a autotragic 100AE Miata RF for my wife - and to keep my Targa GTS company. They actually make a nice couple. My wife can't drive a stick and since the roads in Long Island are truly "tragic," I prefer my wife concentrate on avoiding potholes rather than shifting.
Dollar for dollar, the Miata is a great little all around sports car (unless you are more than 6 feet tall.) In fact, we took the Miata to a Porsche show over this past weekend (I know, sacrilege) and the Miata got more positive attention in the parking lot than my 911 received the last time I brought it to a show.
All this being said- Porsche, there is no substitute!!
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Ferrari is a great example. I believe the much heralded F1 transmission came at an extra cost of $10k plus on new F360's and 430's. Fast forward a decade and the gated manual cars are selling at a 50% premium over F1 cars. Audi R8's are close behind in terms of premium for the manual. I have no reason to think the same thing won't eventually happen with 911's.
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Must be 100k Canadian $$
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Ultimately I'm not totally disagreeing with you, these are enthusiast cars and will be actively sought after by enthusiasts, to include manual transmission enthusiasts who will accept no compromise. That will drive prices up. That will likely happen to the 911s as well but it hasn't taken hold for the 991 just yet- and I think a large part of the reason why is because the PDK is such a great option that people actually DO accept the compromise when they find a 991 they like... we'll see if that extends beyond this weird COVID market when things return to "normal"...
But I like seeing the validation.
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Let's face it, it is what it is. More people bought PDKs when new. So more in the used market. Any "value" potential buyer who wanted a 991.1 manual at depreciated prices in the $50k has by now missed the boat. Either you bought new and hold the car forever or bought one by 2019/early 2020.
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Another relevant consideration is that the Ferrari gated shifter was a hill worth dying on, while Porsche manual shifters are, generally speaking, not.
Yes, Porsche's manual transmissions range from decent to superb, and yes, there were certainly aspects of the Ferrari gearboxes that sucked... but a nicely-executed shift through those metal gates yielded a sensation like no other. No PDK ever shifted faster than a 1-2 shift in a beat-up 308 under the right conditions. You needed the right olio cambio temperature and you needed the right speed and throttle position and you needed a good mental model of the inertia tensor of the transverse V8 and you needed to keep track of the compression state of the motor mounts and you needed to get right with God... but when all of the preconditions were satisfied, the reward was incomparable.
Porsches don't do that, at least not for me. That's fine, they have plenty of other redeeming qualities. So, PDK it is.
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