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Old 11-16-2020, 04:28 PM
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Glad I sold my 2016!!! It is emission cheating!!!!

2017 with turbo's much cleaner
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Old 11-16-2020, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by AdamSanta85
Ha. It’s dieselgate again. They cheated on emissions on our cars.

I’ll take my check please.
Better make sure the check covers the amount of the extra depreciation on your/our cars.
Old 11-16-2020, 04:56 PM
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Can someone explain to me how Sport Chrono would be attached to this?

And I realize this is just speculation, but if it is indeed an emissions issue, how do you feel it will be resolved? Could this be a software update?
I don't remember what happened with VW. I know some people got checks, but were the effected cars essentially branded as red-headed stepchildren?

Sorry if these are dumb questions, just trying to understand.
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Old 11-16-2020, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by C7toM2toGT4?
Can someone explain to me how Sport Chrono would be attached to this?
I would think it's emissions in Sport Plus mode
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Old 11-16-2020, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by C7toM2toGT4?
Can someone explain to me how Sport Chrono would be attached to this?

And I realize this is just speculation, but if it is indeed an emissions issue, how do you feel it will be resolved? Could this be a software update?
I don't remember what happened with VW. I know some people got checks, but were the effected cars essentially branded as red-headed stepchildren?

Sorry if these are dumb questions, just trying to understand.
Just spitballing, but enabling Sport or Sport+ does change throttle mapping, right? And it does alter the rev limiter. Does it actually change timing or any other parameter that could affect emissions?

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Old 11-16-2020, 05:32 PM
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I don't get it. Who cares about emissions on used cars that are at least 4-5 years old? To me, cars should only be recalled for safety issues. I wouldn't want the performance of the car to be altered because of this
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Old 11-16-2020, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by GSIRM3
Better make sure the check covers the amount of the extra depreciation on your/our cars.
Not an issue for those planning to keep it for a long long time, like me. At this point the joy and happiness that brings to my life cannot be quantified.
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Old 11-16-2020, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by GSIRM3
Better make sure the check covers the amount of the extra depreciation on your/our cars.
My car is going to depreciate because it makes more power than it should? Nah. This isn't a 100 hp POS Jetta.

991's with sport chrono aren't going to suddenly be worth less than a 997 because Porsche doesn't know how to follow emissions law.

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Old 11-16-2020, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by AdamSanta85
My car is going to depreciate because it makes more power than it should? Nah. This isn't a 100 hp POS Jetta.

991's with sport chrono aren't going to suddenly be worth less than a 997 because Porsche doesn't know how to follow emissions law.
No, they may depreciate more than they otherwise would if it is an emissions related issue and Porsche is forced by some government agency to implement new software that somehow makes the car produce less horsepower and performance than the advertised amount when new.

If you don't think it can impact cars value, check the value of Audi and VW diesel vehicles.
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Originally Posted by BGLeduc
Just spitballing, but enabling Sport or Sport+ does change throttle mapping, right? And it does alter the rev limiter. Does it actually change timing or any other parameter that could affect emissions?
Pretty sure with PDK in Sport Plus, the car does not shift until redline. More revs for longer period of time will probably increase emissions. Porsche possibly did not take that into account during testing, but it's just speculation.

Apparently no one at dealer level knows all the facts, or it is in fact a possible emissions scam by Porsche and very few are allowed to discuss the issue.
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Old 11-16-2020, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by GSIRM3
Pretty sure with PDK in Sport Plus, the car does not shift until redline. More revs for longer period of time will probably increase emissions. Porsche possibly did not take that into account during testing, but it's just speculation.

Apparently no one at dealer level knows all the facts, or it is in fact a possible emissions scam by Porsche and very few are allowed to discuss the issue.
Sport and Sport + also increase the idle speed by about 150 RPM.
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Old 11-16-2020, 08:38 PM
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Values will only decrease if current owners start dumping them at scale for way less than they should.
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Old 11-16-2020, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by garfunkle
Values will only decrease if current owners start dumping them at scale for way less than they should.
“Not from my cold dead hands”
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Old 11-16-2020, 09:02 PM
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I plan to flog the **** out of my GTS tonight when to go pick up my daughter from gymnastics. I will probably sport plus just to make more exhaust! Merica!
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Old 11-16-2020, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Phattymcgee
I plan to flog the **** out of my GTS tonight when to go pick up my daughter from gymnastics. I will probably sport plus just to make more exhaust! Merica!
EFF YEAH!


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