New 911 Carrera T: a completely pointless marketing exercise
10-23-2017, 09:17 PM
#151
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Y'all can laugh all you want, but what makes the new 911 T really special is that 6 speed manual with higher ratio rear end for better acceleration in a low cost 911. I'd pay really good money to get that transaxle swapped into my C2S....
10-23-2017, 09:18 PM
#153
Number of sales = data
Upgrading a 3.8 or swapping to a 4.0 does require designs.... as does upgrading the 3.0tt and not grenading it.
YOU are not the market. The market is a collective and they have spoken by purchasing significantly less 991.2 cars than 991.1 cars last year. (data and not emotion)
Funny they didn't use a 3.4 yup. Funny they do a lot of things. The return of a manual in a GT3 was because people WANTED the slower and less efficient platform.
You're becoming obtuse in your witch hunt that a tuned 3.0tt is nirvana.
Upgrading a 3.8 or swapping to a 4.0 does require designs.... as does upgrading the 3.0tt and not grenading it.
YOU are not the market. The market is a collective and they have spoken by purchasing significantly less 991.2 cars than 991.1 cars last year. (data and not emotion)
Funny they didn't use a 3.4 yup. Funny they do a lot of things. The return of a manual in a GT3 was because people WANTED the slower and less efficient platform.
You're becoming obtuse in your witch hunt that a tuned 3.0tt is nirvana.
Oh wait, the Macan and Cayenne are turbocharged. I guess that settles that.
There is nothing you can to do to a 3.8 that will ever have it match the tuning factor of the 3.0T. Porsche shows with the GTS you can do upgrades and not 'grenade' anything. As a matter of fact, you will 'grenade' a 991.1 S 3.8 in a hurry if you try to match the output of a tuned 991.2 Carrera, S, or GTS. You certainly will never match the torque figures.
The return of a manual in the GT3 speaks to the enthusiast nature of the car. The 991 T has a manual as well. And? The GT2 is PDK only. I guess the 911 T offers something the GT2 doesn't.
The 911 T has a 9A2. You know, the engine utilized in 2017? The one offering far more performance? The one offering huge torque gains? The one that is cleaner? The one that is the performance choice? The one that actually received engineering awards?
Did Porsche stop selling the 911 Turbo or something with the GT3 on the market?
The 911 T is a phenomenal car and arguably the best driver's 911 for the money in the entire lineup. Deal with it.
10-23-2017, 09:22 PM
#154
For one, it isn't outdated and slow. I can't imagine being one of those sad people who has to talk about perceived engine noise superiority because I can not talk about actual performance superiority of a sports car.
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10-23-2017, 09:23 PM
#156
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The sales data shows the Macan and the Cayenne are the big sellers. I guess the 911 is a failure then because sales data is the principal point of determining what is the better car.
Oh wait, the Macan and Cayenne are turbocharged. I guess that settles that.
There is nothing you can to do to a 3.8 that will ever have it match the tuning factor of the 3.0T. Porsche shows with the GTS you can do upgrades and not 'grenade' anything. As a matter of fact, you will 'grenade' a 991.1 S 3.8 in a hurry if you try to match the output of a tuned 991.2 Carrera, S, or GTS. You certainly will never match the torque figures.
The return of a manual in the GT3 speaks to the enthusiast nature of the car. The 991 T has a manual as well. And?
The 911 T has a 9A2. You know, the engine utilized in 2017? The one offering far more performance? The one offering huge torque gains? The one that is cleaner? The one that is the performance choice?
Did Porsche stop selling the 911 Turbo or something with the GT3 on the market?
The 911 T is a phenomenal car and arguably the best driver's 911 for the money in the entire lineup. Deal with it.
Oh wait, the Macan and Cayenne are turbocharged. I guess that settles that.
There is nothing you can to do to a 3.8 that will ever have it match the tuning factor of the 3.0T. Porsche shows with the GTS you can do upgrades and not 'grenade' anything. As a matter of fact, you will 'grenade' a 991.1 S 3.8 in a hurry if you try to match the output of a tuned 991.2 Carrera, S, or GTS. You certainly will never match the torque figures.
The return of a manual in the GT3 speaks to the enthusiast nature of the car. The 991 T has a manual as well. And?
The 911 T has a 9A2. You know, the engine utilized in 2017? The one offering far more performance? The one offering huge torque gains? The one that is cleaner? The one that is the performance choice?
Did Porsche stop selling the 911 Turbo or something with the GT3 on the market?
The 911 T is a phenomenal car and arguably the best driver's 911 for the money in the entire lineup. Deal with it.
With enought money you can mod the 991.1.... I said 4,0 swap but you insist on citing modding the 3.8.... try to proof read. You're sounding ignorant.
The NA crowd doesn't care about the torque. You should learn how to drive and it would be less of a sticking point for you. Ot get a SRT8 if Torque is your primary goal. Or GTR.
The Turbo has always been a "turbo" how is this even relevant to the thread or any part of the conversation?
The sales data shows an embarrassing number of 911's sold this year vs the 991.1's.... forget SUV's as it's not in context.
10-23-2017, 09:25 PM
#158
10-23-2017, 09:31 PM
#160
The macan and Cayenne are SUV's and not sports cars. I have a turbo in my daily car.... How is this relevant to anything?
With enought money you can mod the 991.1.... I said 4,0 swap but you insist on citing modding the 3.8.... try to proof read. You're sounding ignorant.
The NA crowd doesn't care about the torque. You should learn how to drive and it would be less of a sticking point for you. Ot get a SRT8 if Torque is your primary goal. Or GTR.
The Turbo has always been a "turbo" how is this even relevant to the thread or any part of the conversation?
The sales data shows an embarrassing number of 911's sold this year vs the 991.1's.... forget SUV's as it's not in context.
With enought money you can mod the 991.1.... I said 4,0 swap but you insist on citing modding the 3.8.... try to proof read. You're sounding ignorant.
The NA crowd doesn't care about the torque. You should learn how to drive and it would be less of a sticking point for you. Ot get a SRT8 if Torque is your primary goal. Or GTR.
The Turbo has always been a "turbo" how is this even relevant to the thread or any part of the conversation?
The sales data shows an embarrassing number of 911's sold this year vs the 991.1's.... forget SUV's as it's not in context.
There is nothing you can do to you car that is worth doing. Seriously, line up with any 3.0T and film it. Make sure you film the expression on your face afterwards too.
The NA crowd doesn't? Well I do. Seems others do as well.
Why would I get a GTR when I want a light RWD car? The only thing my 911 and a GTR have in common is they show how slow your car is.
Well now the 911 is turbocharged so you get the benefit of turbos. You still have the GT3 for those who want to talk about the typical NA driving points. It's funny how those who constantly want to write about those points don't even have a GT3 which actually has a serious naturally aspirated flat-6 and is the best execution of the NA argument.
Weird that when I was at the dealership I had to put money down in advance to get the car as several others were trying to get it. They literally would come off the boat and already be sold.
You can try to come up with whatever revisionist narrative you want to. There is no arguing the 911 Carrera, Carrera S, and GTS are now serious performance cars. Oh, and the 911 T will absolutely demolish your old 991.1 around a track. Deal with it.
10-23-2017, 09:32 PM
#161
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Your estimates are self-serving and based on emotional responses and not data.
The 991.2 is a spectacular machine that raises the bar. Please stop raining on the parade with your 991.1 delusions of grandeur.
Any Porsche engine can not just be 'upgraded' as the design of the engine if the main factor. You will spend so much time upgraded a 3.8 that you might as well start with the better 4.0 as the 3.8 will not reach it anyway. The 3.0 on the other hand can just bolt on larger turbos and hit heights the 3.8 can only dream of.
How has the market spoken? I am the market. As are many others here with 991.2's. What are you talking about?
The 911 T with a few upgrades will offer a very nice GT2 facsimile for a fraction of the cost. I'm fine with that.
Funny how Porsche puts a turbo lightweight RWD 911 as the top of the range car and not a 991.1 3.4 for some odd reason.
The 991.2 is a spectacular machine that raises the bar. Please stop raining on the parade with your 991.1 delusions of grandeur.
Any Porsche engine can not just be 'upgraded' as the design of the engine if the main factor. You will spend so much time upgraded a 3.8 that you might as well start with the better 4.0 as the 3.8 will not reach it anyway. The 3.0 on the other hand can just bolt on larger turbos and hit heights the 3.8 can only dream of.
How has the market spoken? I am the market. As are many others here with 991.2's. What are you talking about?
The 911 T with a few upgrades will offer a very nice GT2 facsimile for a fraction of the cost. I'm fine with that.
Funny how Porsche puts a turbo lightweight RWD 911 as the top of the range car and not a 991.1 3.4 for some odd reason.
10-23-2017, 09:36 PM
#163
How can you take someone seriously who wants to take everything about the 991.1 3.8, make it worse in every way, and then proclaim it as better?
10-23-2017, 09:36 PM
#164
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I am in the "like it" camp. Cool options package for the base car.
(avoiding the turbo's suck controversy)
(avoiding the turbo's suck controversy)
10-23-2017, 09:37 PM
#165
I don't see how that is the same thing whatsoever as going from naturally aspirated and very weak engines in the 991.1 range to turbocharged motors in the 991.2 range.
Try making a coherent argument.
