New 911 Carrera T: a completely pointless marketing exercise
10-23-2017, 12:22 PM
#91
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I like it, kind of a Poorman's R but I think it should be priced right between Base and S with a 10 Hp bump over base.
So.... having said that. My 16 Base is off of lease this January and the purchase price is right around $67,000. Turn it in and lease/buy at new T or buy it and use the $36,000 + in savings to install the shorter gears, shorter final drive, LSD and shift lever from the T into my N/A 16 along with say KW suspension and an auto-blip box.
That could be a fun car.
So.... having said that. My 16 Base is off of lease this January and the purchase price is right around $67,000. Turn it in and lease/buy at new T or buy it and use the $36,000 + in savings to install the shorter gears, shorter final drive, LSD and shift lever from the T into my N/A 16 along with say KW suspension and an auto-blip box.
That could be a fun car.
10-23-2017, 12:30 PM
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Wow, must be a big deal for people who:
- Only need a base Carrera
- Must have the RWS (Not available on C2 in Canada)
- Must have the LWB (Not available on C2 in Canada)
- Can't lose weight themselves.........................................
- Only need a base Carrera
- Must have the RWS (Not available on C2 in Canada)
- Must have the LWB (Not available on C2 in Canada)
- Can't lose weight themselves.........................................
10-23-2017, 12:31 PM
#93
Can't wait to see what the gear ratios will be in the T.
10-23-2017, 12:36 PM
#94
Bingo. I'm on the list for a GT3 manual, but all the time I'm thinking where do I use this screamer motor without going to jail, and omg, what happens to resale value with miles and a scratch? This car will be a fun addition yo a 981 Spyder, allowing a 911 rear motor experience in a package that arguably feels closer to the 911s of yesteryear. With RWS and LWBs, I think Porsche is showing they actually learned a lesson from the GT4 experiment: HP and track times aren't the most important things to many Porsche buyers, it's involvement and emotion we're looking for. I wonder what AP will have to say about this car. But if he says it's fun, one word of advice: go buy one.
You make some great points!
10-23-2017, 12:37 PM
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I Pity da fool... any fool that thinks this is appealing.
10-23-2017, 12:41 PM
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If you're in the right gear with the 3.8 then it's no work and it's not like you have to start from a dead stop from P and zero RPM out of every corner. How much work do you guys think it is to keep the car in the right gear?
10-23-2017, 01:05 PM
#98
Bingo. I'm on the list for a GT3 manual, but all the time I'm thinking where do I use this screamer motor without going to jail, and omg, what happens to resale value with miles and a scratch? This car will be a fun addition yo a 981 Spyder, allowing a 911 rear motor experience in a package that arguably feels closer to the 911s of yesteryear. With RWS and LWBs, I think Porsche is showing they actually learned a lesson from the GT4 experiment: HP and track times aren't the most important things to many Porsche buyers, it's involvement and emotion we're looking for. I wonder what AP will have to say about this car. But if he says it's fun, one word of advice: go buy one.
I love my S but I have been getting the itch to buy a GT3 lately (weekend toy that would be in addition to the S). But I have no where I can really use the car, the way it was meant to be used, without ending up in jail and/or losing my license.
The GT3T is interesting because the added involvement of the manual trans means you probably won't have to redline it to get a lot of enjoyment out of the car on the street. But let's be realistic, I and many others won't be in a position to buy a Touring Package for awhile. So that means .1 or .2 GT3 in PDK. Nothing wrong with PDK (my S is PDK). But PDK really shines when you are trying to go as fast as possible.
So while I have my initial concerns about the Carrera T, it's nice to see Porsche is trying to create some driver focused packages. Now would I have rather seen a 3.8 NA 400-425hp dropped in it? For sure! But that's just not going to happen moving forward in the Carrera line.
10-23-2017, 01:16 PM
#99
It has lighter glass in the rear and side windows, cloth loops for door pulls inside, Sport-Tex seats, and less sound insulation. Unlike the regular Carrera, the T has PASM and can be optioned with rear-wheel steering. And if you option the full bucket seats (which you definitely should) then the rear seats are deleted to save even more weight.
The bolded part is what I find most important. Being able to actually hear the car.
I'm all in favor of this new machine.
The bolded part is what I find most important. Being able to actually hear the car.
I'm all in favor of this new machine.
10-23-2017, 01:19 PM
#100
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^ I agree.
I love my S but I have been getting the itch to buy a GT3 lately (weekend toy that would be in addition to the S). But I have no where I can really use the car, the way it was meant to be used, without ending up in jail and/or losing my license.
The GT3T is interesting because the added involvement of the manual trans means you probably won't have to redline it to get a lot of enjoyment out of the car on the street. But let's be realistic, I and many others won't be in a position to buy a Touring Package for awhile. So that means .1 or .2 GT3 in PDK. Nothing wrong with PDK (my S is PDK). But PDK really shines when you are trying to go as fast as possible.
So while I have my initial concerns about the Carrera T, it's nice to see Porsche is trying to create some driver focused packages. Now would I have rather seen a 3.8 NA 400-425hp dropped in it? For sure! But that's just not going to happen moving forward in the Carrera line.
I love my S but I have been getting the itch to buy a GT3 lately (weekend toy that would be in addition to the S). But I have no where I can really use the car, the way it was meant to be used, without ending up in jail and/or losing my license.
The GT3T is interesting because the added involvement of the manual trans means you probably won't have to redline it to get a lot of enjoyment out of the car on the street. But let's be realistic, I and many others won't be in a position to buy a Touring Package for awhile. So that means .1 or .2 GT3 in PDK. Nothing wrong with PDK (my S is PDK). But PDK really shines when you are trying to go as fast as possible.
So while I have my initial concerns about the Carrera T, it's nice to see Porsche is trying to create some driver focused packages. Now would I have rather seen a 3.8 NA 400-425hp dropped in it? For sure! But that's just not going to happen moving forward in the Carrera line.
10-23-2017, 01:23 PM
#101
Good point! I should have qualified that statement with the fact that I'm looking at a GT3 purchase without an allocation. So I would be purchasing second hand. My educated guess is that most .2 GT3's will be PDK unless they are the Touring Package.
10-23-2017, 01:26 PM
#102
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Man, they are whoring out the old nomenclatures double time these days.
Car looks nice but is pointless. My personal view is that a club sport stye would be cool if it ticked the following boxes:
- base car
- no PASM
- no nonsense like RWS, active steering, etc. Only acronym allowed is ABS and PASM
- no sunroof
- manual sporty chairs but not the carbon buckets for $$$...more like a heavily bolstered fabric chair like on RS America
- reduction of sound deadening material
- basic radio, basic HVAC w/o dual zone
- basic door cards
- base headlamps, no washers
- optional lightweight forged wheel
- fixed wing element but different than GT wings
- weighs 2850#
- costs $100k
- most people will hopefully hate it
- comes in white, red, black. Optional colors silver and dark blue.
Car looks nice but is pointless. My personal view is that a club sport stye would be cool if it ticked the following boxes:
- base car
- no PASM
- no nonsense like RWS, active steering, etc. Only acronym allowed is ABS and PASM
- no sunroof
- manual sporty chairs but not the carbon buckets for $$$...more like a heavily bolstered fabric chair like on RS America
- reduction of sound deadening material
- basic radio, basic HVAC w/o dual zone
- basic door cards
- base headlamps, no washers
- optional lightweight forged wheel
- fixed wing element but different than GT wings
- weighs 2850#
- costs $100k
- most people will hopefully hate it
- comes in white, red, black. Optional colors silver and dark blue.
10-23-2017, 01:26 PM
#103
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you can always buy mine when I'm done with it!
10-23-2017, 01:29 PM
#104
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This car seems to be to be a "GTS for the base Carrera" ... another parts bin special ...
funny talking with my SA, they are very frustrated with the current model range, with only a relatively small # of allocations available to them yearly, they have to dilute their stock with a
spread of models, many of which languish unsold for months on end, and other models (like the
GT3) they cannot get enough of to sell...
I wonder how this new additional will fair?
its definitely a yawn-fest for me.
funny talking with my SA, they are very frustrated with the current model range, with only a relatively small # of allocations available to them yearly, they have to dilute their stock with a
spread of models, many of which languish unsold for months on end, and other models (like the
GT3) they cannot get enough of to sell...
I wonder how this new additional will fair?
its definitely a yawn-fest for me.
10-23-2017, 01:44 PM
#105
Man, they are whoring out the old nomenclatures double time these days.
Car looks nice but is pointless. My personal view is that a club sport stye would be cool if it ticked the following boxes:
- base car
- no PASM
- no nonsense like RWS, active steering, etc. Only acronym allowed is ABS and PASM
- no sunroof
- manual sporty chairs but not the carbon buckets for $$$...more like a heavily bolstered fabric chair like on RS America
- reduction of sound deadening material
- basic radio, basic HVAC w/o dual zone
- basic door cards
- base headlamps, no washers
- optional lightweight forged wheel
- fixed wing element but different than GT wings
- weighs 2850#
- costs $100k
- most people will hopefully hate it
- comes in white, red, black. Optional colors silver and dark blue.
Car looks nice but is pointless. My personal view is that a club sport stye would be cool if it ticked the following boxes:
- base car
- no PASM
- no nonsense like RWS, active steering, etc. Only acronym allowed is ABS and PASM
- no sunroof
- manual sporty chairs but not the carbon buckets for $$$...more like a heavily bolstered fabric chair like on RS America
- reduction of sound deadening material
- basic radio, basic HVAC w/o dual zone
- basic door cards
- base headlamps, no washers
- optional lightweight forged wheel
- fixed wing element but different than GT wings
- weighs 2850#
- costs $100k
- most people will hopefully hate it
- comes in white, red, black. Optional colors silver and dark blue.
Shame it is 99.5% likely not to ever happen.