Dewinator

My dealer says they never charge over MSRP, which I respect a lot.

On the other hand, I kinda hope some rando off the street that hasn't bought from them and taken their cars in to them for service for years isn't on the same waitlist as I am. Charge ADM for the randos!

I guess in the end it's just me being selfish so it's a bit hard to fault dealers for being selfish too.

There's a solution #4 that you haven't thought about: make worse cars so they aren't in such high demand.

sccchiii

Yes.....let's just have them make the GT products very undersirable! It will solve all issues (except really solve none). With many on all forums, Porsche feels they are always on brink of screwing up the cars anyways some of which they can't control, increasing weight, turbos, NA, emissions, safety regs., size, price, comfort, tranny, with wing, without wing, etc. lots of variables to mess up. Based on recent comments about German car companies.......we might have GT3 base price be $250k soon so those that think it's as simple as raising the prices be careful what you wish for ha ha

evilfij

But how does the rando become the long time customer? Especially for young guys. I had ordered a 2005 997 -- nothing special, in fact my spec was a one option car. I was on the list for two years. I placed the order when I was 24. I was fine with the launch cars and the good customers getting ahead of me, but then I was basically told buy a loaded S so we can make more money or we are not selling you a car. I was like no, I don't want an S, I want a white over blue C2 MT and a fire extinguisher and I don't want the alphabet soup or even floormats. They were like "sorry," we will sell your car to someone else. I got my deposit back from the manager (which took some doing which I thought was absurd), went to another brand (lotus), and have never set foot in that dealer again except to **** with them during the depths of the recession by making super low ball offers on cars.

Anyway, the other dealer is much better. You wait on the list, you get what you want, you pay MSRP.

Nick

When I reference that Porsche is building desirable cars it was meant as a compliment AND NOT AS A COMPLIANT! It's a good problem to have that there are more people than cars available. My point is all these complaints about Flippers, limited production and greedy dealers are nothing more than noise.

Porsche built a damn good car. Period. End of story.

sccchiii

we agree.....don't mind my comments, a horrible attempt by me to be sarcastic.

NateOZ

For me, it's:

1. Yes, it's a business with significant capital invested. If they put a single trade above the value of their franchise, then so be it.

2. Yes, I'm against anyone telling me what I can and can't do with things I own. I have no issue signing 12 month buyback options with dealers and have in the past.

3. Yes, they need something to reward people that support the business/brand. If everyone just bought GT cars only both Porsche and dealers would be bankrupt. I have no issue for people that took the risk on the 918 being rewarded with the 911R etc - I didn't want to take the risk for a project that will feed tech into the other cars for years to come.

Far too much whining on this board, Dealers are businesses, Porsche is a business and customers are adults. If you don't want to play the game, go buy something else - life is too short to have a hobby that makes you upset.

orthojoe

Buying these cars is NOT a hobby.
Driving them is.

Bartleby7334

Logically:

Porsche invents stuff and builds stuff. Quality stuff that is very desirable, but expensive to actually create. Superstar stuff.

This stuff has some of the qualities of 'currency' --
it doesn't cost a lot to store, it doesn't deteriorate really quickly, others are willing to exchange things of value (cash, credit, trade) for it, etc, etc. Its a store of value. That has a LOT of value.

Dealers are market makers... they keep inventory in stock to make a liquid market FOR NEW and CPO USED when the broader market lacks a buyer for a seller or a seller for a buyer. They set a spread between bid and ask. Whether ask is MSRP for a 718, or is ADM for a GT3. Factory authorized dealers are more than simple brokers. A smoothly function market should be the long-term goal. Short term profiteering is always a temptation, but we like to think Porsche will keep a rein on this.

Consumers and your local car lot dominate the lower end out of warantty market.
The beat up Porsches that haven't been well maintained and the pampered antiques that have been treasured. Oh, and some speculators.

Its a complex system that turns cars into cash for Porsche but only if they create.
When everybody else profits on 'new' or 'new but registered in montana for six months to create the illusion of used' its taking advantage of Porsche's hard work and willingness to take risks.

Leica 993

If Porsche doesn't want the money, other people will take it. Flippers should be admired, celebrated and congratulated for doing something Porsche is unwilling to do, which is to provide a product at the equilibrium price based on willingness to pay. "Flippers" are offering you a car where Porsche would not. The hostility is misdirected.

Bartleby7334

Porsche wouldn't sell to you directly because you might back out after ordering a car,leaving them stuck.

The Dealer takes that risk by taking each ordered vehicle off the Factory's hands after its built and guaranteeing payment to Porshe

The minute this bubble bursts, those 'flippers' who have speculated on margin by buying a slot will back out and stiff the dealers who enabled them.

But until that day, I hear you say: YAY CAPITALISM!

Benedict14

Welcome to Australia (etc.). The difference for us however is this; if this occurs, it will be a decision based largely upon spite and ignorance. Merkel was quoted directly as saying that she was asked eleven times by the same person if we (the U.S.) could negotiate directly with Germany on trade. She explained each time that the answer was no, and the reasons for it. She explained that this wasn't a case of not taking no for an answer. It was a lack of knowledge, insight and understanding. Spite and ignorance are poor reasons upon which to base trade policies.

More Importantly, it's really going to **** me off if I can't afford a Porsche

ipse dixit

With all due respect, I don't think anyone here has any right to tell others how to spend their money -- regardless of whether that money is spent on a hobby, or buying an appliance of some sort that is used to drive around in circles with.

Archimedes

100 percent agree, which is what I intend to do if I don't get an allocation by early next year. Buy something else and take all of my other car business elsewhere in the future as well. Would rather not do that, but if it comes to that, so be it.

Archimedes

Agree to a point, however, in a market this illiquid and with such wide bid/ask spreads, the unintended consequence is that too many cars sit undriven in garages collecting dust. A flipper that puts the car out there in an auction format and gets the best market price would be great. The one that prices it $75k over market and just socks the car away in a garage somewhere and sits on it because it's a rounding error on their net worth is a parasite and is not only screwing it up for people who want a car to drive, they're actually doing damage to Porsche's business when people like us leave the brand. Porsche should have a vested interest in trying to stop that behavior.

Maverick787

Ditto, if they drive it or wax it daily they paid for it. We're not judges how people enjoy their cars. These comments have become quite silly.