BryanCO

How did I get so far behind on this thread?

Hey Surge74, what's your take on putting rear seats in my GT4?

Oldmxnut

AP has a history of having his quotable "quotes" form a life of their own and then he himself contradicting them. The "manual for engagement and PDk for lap times" makes sense, but it would also make sense to have a PDK in a touring model for the daily driver user.

I would increase probability of PDK being included.

Also why a new model 911T that isn't special, narrow body, turbo and so then similar to the GTS? Or is it special..thats the question. What could be a special (event, time, model) that can dress up a car that in essence is a GTS. Any porsche history buffs know of any anniversaries this year ?

GT3 Touring is not the 911T tough, bet my last dollar on it.

djcxxx

Until the information appears on the Porsche web site or on the stand at Frankfurt we are not going to know anything, certainly not from this unending series of suppositions and divinations.

Craigy

Yeah I'd bet most PDK cars never set a lap time.

A choice of transmissions for the GT3 but not if you check the touring pack option doesn't make a lot of sense.

If touring pack is to make it a car that blends better, slightly more livable, a more daily GT3, then PDK falls right in line with that.

Archimedes

You mean other than every .1 GT3/RS lapping every track around the world, as well as every single car Porsche has used to set a Ring time in the past five years? Other than those PDK cars?

Larry Cable

the .2 GT3 already inherited a rear diffuser from the R

Larry Cable

well its probably true that 'most' 911's are PDK cars, and 'most' users (not on RL) do not ever even contemplate track their cars ...

Craigy

This guy gets it.

And not "every" RS is tracked either. Funny that statement coming from someone with "the plural of anecdote is not data" in his signature.

I would even hazard a guess that a majority of pdk GT3s have not completed a timed lap.

Even as a performance-aid, PDK is a convenience option. Which would be well suited to a so-called touring package.

Archimedes

We're not discussing 911's though, we're discussing GT3's and whether they should put a PDK in one (the T) or not. Obviously all of the tracked .1 GT3s are PDK and many of the tracked .2's are going to be PDK. The insinuation they were making that most of the Porsches out at the track are manual is ridiculous or that a manual owner is more likely to track their car than a PDK owner.

Archimedes

That's why so many of the track rats on here prefer PDK in their track cars? Because it's better for driving with a coffee cup in their hands?

djcxxx

How many of all those manual air-cooled "purist" 911s from 1965 to 1998 do any of you believe made it to a track??? The 911 was designed by Porsche to be a gentleman's sports car (i.e. GT) with a track proven pedigree. My father's 73 T was beige grey with steel wheels but double clutch and heel and toe was a matter of course for his generation. So was frugality. It was a big deal for him to shell out for a Porsche. When we test drove the car with me along (I was 16) he drove it so hard and fast I didn't know who he was. He never drove it that hard again. I asked him why, and he said are you crazy, I own it now and I pay for it.

Craigy

I don't want to go further off topic, but I'll reply out of courtesy to say I believe you've dreamed up said insinuation, and appear to have some chip on your shoulder, either pro or against PDK, I'm not sure. I happen to like PDK.

Right. The hardcore track rats flock to forums like this, but to most buyers, a 911 is a big spend by itself, particularly a Turbo or GT3. Aside from the excess track cost of tires and brakes and maintenance, regular guys don't want to beat up their expensive car.

A buyer ticking the PDK box probably ticks that box for a myriad of reasons ahead of a few more tenths of laptime. I know laptime would be low on my list of reasons for choosing PDK.

Superfans

Any more leaks on the Touring Package before the official launch in Frankfurt?

GrantG

More than any other production street legal car, most likely. Still plenty of them at any given track day...

Larry Cable

+1 my 993 C2S and 964 RSA both did!