Originally Posted by kingjr9000

I'm really curious to know why there are so many Sennas for sale on du-pont. If anyone knows something or if there are any solid guesses, feel free to inform me. Is it because of the few senna fires that have happened or is it something else?

Originally Posted by kingjr9000

I'm really curious to know why there are so many Sennas for sale on du-pont. If anyone knows something or if there are any solid guesses, feel free to inform me. Is it because of the few senna fires that have happened or is it something else?

Originally Posted by G.Irish

Probably people who bought them to make a buck unloading them to free up some capital. Notice that 14 of the 22 have less than 500 miles on them. Similar thing with GT2RS really, about a third of them for sale have less than 500 miles on them.

I do think McLaren's strategy of releasing hypercars more frequently is going to drive down the resale value of them since they aren't really rare and as such won't be good investments for the bubble wrapping set. But as long as McLaren can sell every one they make, why not?

Originally Posted by G.Irish

Probably people who bought them to make a buck unloading them to free up some capital. Notice that 14 of the 22 have less than 500 miles on them. Similar thing with GT2RS really, about a third of them for sale have less than 500 miles on them.

I do think McLaren's strategy of releasing hypercars more frequently is going to drive down the resale value of them since they aren't really rare and as such won't be good investments for the bubble wrapping set. But as long as McLaren can sell every one they make, why not?

Originally Posted by C.J. Ichiban

incoming model lineup:

Elva
620R
765LT
765LT Spider
570S replacement- V6 hybrid-
P1 Version 2- hybrid
McLaren GT hybrid
Fully electric car
SuperAmazingLimited 765LT by MSO ( highsport?)
720S replacement
720S replacement hybrid

Originally Posted by SSO

As background, I just posted a new article on the Collectability of all the McLarens to date: https://karenable.com/collectability-of-mclarens/

Originally Posted by SSO

As background, I just posted a new article on the Collectability of all the McLarens to date: https://karenable.com/collectability-of-mclarens/

Originally Posted by SSO

Completely agree. It's a combination of market saturation and a number of speculators now bailing. McLaren is now cutting back on the number and frequency because of exactly what's happening.

I did an article on this a few weeks back: https://karenable.com/too-much-of-a-good-thing/

Originally Posted by G.Irish

Very good article! It's kind of weird to see different cash grab ideas spread through the high end market.

There's the track-only supercar/hypercar offering, that got started with Ferrari's FXX program. Aston Martin sorta copied it with the Vulcan, then we had the small disaster of the T125 (which I guess was copying Corse Clienti), then a smattering of other examples, some successful, like the P1 GTR and the 935. Then there's the one make series which only had Ferrari Challenge and GT3 Cup for a long time, then Lamborghini, Lotus, and Aston Martin tried it with varying degrees of success.

And now we have the hypercar free for all, which I agree, will probably result in some big financial losses or even bankruptcies for some of these factories. Wouldn't be surprised to see some of these cars get cancelled in the next few months. For Porsche I think maybe they push back a 918 successor a few years. In a few years there'll probably be a lot less players in that pool.

Originally Posted by hf1

My guess... More grip => higher g-forces => more suspension + brakes + cooling => more weight => more suspension + brakes +cooling => worse power-to-weight ratio. In general, everything has to be beefed up for higher stress with higher grip & g-forces. It's how Lotus added lightness with less grip. Then there are engine oiling and cooling issues with higher g-forces and more weight especially with turbos. There are many design feedback loops that get out of hand if one of these systems is off..

Originally Posted by ipse dixit

Carbon Monocoque, is why.

Originally Posted by SSO

As background, I just posted a new article on the Collectability of all the McLarens to date: https://karenable.com/collectability-of-mclarens/

Originally Posted by FLGT

Love your articles. Curious, with your expertise, where you realistically think unmolested Senna prices will go?
I would love one if they came down to something bit more feasible.

Originally Posted by yesyoucan

People who have the cars and know what they are doing with them or live in that type of community don't rely on magazine lap times. (they are out and about doing it and know how the cars are set up, driver skill, conditions, etc.). It is a different reality in real life rather then magazine tests...

Go to his youtube channel and he has a 1:49 in a mclaren 600 LT at Button-willow, another guy did a 1:50 in a 12c with P-zero tires, a pista did a 1:49 and a mclaren 720s did a 1:48. (there is a gt3rs driver that consistently does 1:51 at buttonwillow. (13cw configuration which is the most common and popular config). These lap times are posted but part of HPDE days. (you have to be an insider to know whether to throw out these lap times (ie; non street tires, etc.). However, the lap times i posted in this paragraph are not on fastestlaps or other magazine tests. Real times by real drivers on street tires.

The 12c and gt3rs lap times (Laguna Seca which are the track records for both cars) aren't posted anywhere except for the owners youtube channels.