SSO

I did see the announcement on the capital raise but couldn't find any details on it. No idea if it was an up or down round but should know more when they release results on the 23rd.

SSO

Thanks. I've worked on a few M&A deals over the years which are always quite interesting.

Given I've got a lot more free time these days, might just try to take a look at a few other companies....

flsupraguy

Interesting. I'm also a business broker but focus on businesses in the financial sector with gross revenue of $1,000,000 plus.

Guest89

The reason that I suspect that the most recent round of investment was a “down round” is the mention of McLaren’s “existing, long-term investors” participating in the offering. To me, this is a dog whistle that a rights offering was conducted, because McLaren Group evidently wanted to maintain its existing roster (and composition) of shareholders. One way to spur existing shareholders to participate in a subsequent investment is to do so at a lower valuation. The cost of NOT participating is that your legacy investment is diluted, perhaps ruinously, so you are somewhat “forced” to participate.

C.J. Ichiban

that's like saying the GT2RS and the GTS are both turbo flat sixes...

Mclaren has introduced a bunch of different valve, turbo, piston, ecu, cam, cooling, oiling components over the last 8-9 years.

C.J. Ichiban

incoming model lineup:

Elva
620R
765LT
765LT Spider
570S replacement- V6 hybrid-
P1 Version 2- hybrid
McLaren GT hybrid
Fully electric car
SuperAmazingLimited 765LT by MSO ( highsport?)
720S replacement
720S replacement hybrid

Guest89

Hybridized V6 for everything post-570S replacement? Presumably M630T (i.e., 3.0L 6 cylinder) ... or maybe shorten the stroke a bit to go just under 3.0L for displacement tax purposes. Or maybe an all-new engine?

enduro911

Guys, couple quick questions about Mclaren's tire philosophy.

- Why is it that manufacturers like Mclaren use smaller tires than Porsche even though they have a higher power-to-weight ratio?

If I may extrapolate, I was killing time watching some Chris Harris videos - the first being his review of the P1 and the second being his review of the Z/28. Chris Goodwin (Mclaren test driver) said that they wanted a "street car, not a race car" and hence the relatively small tire size. Harris was also blown away by the Z/28's front grip and indicated that GM used a "simple" solution of using more rubber to give a relatively heavy car more grip. They then spent time dialing out all the bad road behaviors that come with a wider tire. Mclaren seem to have some incredible chassis engineers so surely they're capable of modifying the car to make it work well.

- Is running smaller tires the result of needing less rolling resistance to meet certain MPG standards?
- If anyone has tried wider rubber at a track day, what have the results been?
- Final question is would doing so invalidate the warranty? If the P1 and Senna are capable of those cornering speeds, I can't imagine that oil starvation is an issue, but I'm wondering what else could go wrong as grip levels increase that Mclaren would not want to cover free of cost.

Just curious, thanks in advance.

Guest89

There has been discussion on here in the past relating to McLaren’s narrow tire specification (in particular on the front axle) being a limitation of the original 12C chassis design. It is a great question, however.

hf1

My guess... More grip => higher g-forces => more suspension + brakes + cooling => more weight => more suspension + brakes +cooling => worse power-to-weight ratio. In general, everything has to be beefed up for higher stress with higher grip & g-forces. It's how Lotus added lightness with less grip. Then there are engine oiling and cooling issues with higher g-forces and more weight especially with turbos. There are many design feedback loops that get out of hand if one of these systems is off..

AllAboutThatP

Very good question. I’m looking at buying a 600LT and the previous owner put 20x9’s up front and 21x12’s in the rear. I was curious if I could fit 20x9.5’s and 21x12.5’s and run the same tires as my RS.

ipse dixit

Carbon Monocoque, is why.

AllAboutThatP

Not sure I follow. Is it because they only designed the monocoque to accommodate tires up to a certain width, or is there some other reason why the monocoque won’t allow wider tires?

I’ll be curious to see my 600LT when it arrives, as the previous owner has wheels and tires only 1/2” more narrow than my RS.

pepinozaur

Trying the same thing- wider tires. I would try 265-35-19/315 -30-20 TrofeoR on 720s as they seem to run same tire ratio as OEM, caluclated 1.054 rear to front.
Also regarding slicks I have seen some using combo of 650/690 (way lower than oem ratio), one try could be using Yoko R20 slicks in the frears and fronts R19, but they run 710mm tall in the back and only 660mm in the fronts (needed 672mm to keep the ratio)

kingjr9000

I'm really curious to know why there are so many Sennas for sale on du-pont. If anyone knows something or if there are any solid guesses, feel free to inform me. Is it because of the few senna fires that have happened or is it something else?