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There are a good number of track focused people who own ferrari's/mclarens/porsche's in my area (San Francisco Bay Area). It's getting common to see Mclarens at HPDE days. People are buying them when they see other Mac's at track days after seeing them in action and talking to the owners.
Off the top of my head; I'd say I have about 25 track days in 720s and about 15 track days in 600 LT. Most of the miles driven are track miles. 720s has gone limp once and that was a spark plug issue. It went limp about 3 turns after one of the "laguna pipes" fell off the car. (after market turn away pipe). Not sure if that had anything to do with it but it went limp right after it fell off.
Mac cars are very sensitive to check engine lights. They are almost always FYI and do not impact the operation of the car. The condition that would cause a CEL would also exist in every car but Mac throws the CEL light when the others won't (as an example; "fuel temperature not met" (this was after fuleing up at the Laguna Seca pumps). The engine/oil temps not met when I started to push the car (not a good idea to turn on the car and then start pushing it two minutes later on track). These lights don't impact the car and something you learn as time goes by. For those who aren't sophisticated enough, they might just shut it down for the rest of the track day (OBD reader is your friend).
I get into a lot of discussions with people at the track and they ask me all types of questions (buying related). They don't' ask me much mechanically related type questions because they see me out there all the time and have started to see a good number of Mac's on track. I tell them that it is much more expensive to track a 720s/600 LT ijn OEM set up then it is a GT3RS or GT3. However, if they go aftermarket steel brakes and get the goodyear f1 supercar 3r tires then it is actually more cost effective then tracking a porsche (most of the track focused mac people in my area have gone to this set up).
Ferrari - You don't see much on track. Primary reason is that the Ferrari dealers discourage you from tracking them (they push the ferrari challenge car on you or their customer racing program).
Last friday; a few of us had our own run group with the Audi club at thunderhill (12 c, 2X600 LT, 720s, gt4 cayman, 3x .2gt3rs).
Over the week-end; another group that I track with from Southern California were at Buttonwillow (2 X12c, 720s, 2X Pista, GT3). Attached is a video of my coach driving the Pista with the owner as a passenger chasing a 720s being driven by the owner of the 720s). The 720s has about 20,000 miles and the Pista has about 14,000 miles. Almost all miles are driving to the track, tracking the car and then driving back home. They track at least 3 to 5 times per month. The best time of the 720s was 1:48.3 (driven by my coach), 1:48.5 (driven by the owner of the car) and the best time of the Pista was 1:50 (driven by my coach) and 1:51 driven by the owner. This is under the most common/favorite configuration of 13CW. Anyone who has driven at Buttonwillow knows how fast those lap times are.
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Best times when I drove: 720s - 1:48.3 w/passenger Pista - 1:50.2 w/passenger NOTE!!! Pista tire pressures were WAY off and could use camber. Reduce the delta to 1 second slower on the same tires. Amazing cars and a great time!!! I hope you enjoyed. Let me know which one you like more and why.
hard to believe that those lap times would be achievable with all nannies off, seems like the tires were working pretty hard.
Either way, those are some fast laps and takes some serious ***** to be driving a client's car at those limits. The accessible limits on these cars is nuts.
I've never gone through riverside, while hearing R-comps squealing, that's crazee. But I'm not in that 1:50 club.
Of course the truly mind-boggling aspect to this video is that the 720S is really just a very accomplished GT car, not track focused anywhere near the extent the Pista is. Just over the horizon looms the 765LT, and based on this video, the Pista doesn't stand a chance.
BTW, for those who are interested, the 720S was on the Goodyear F1 Supercar 3R, and the Pista was on the Dunlop Supermaxx 2.
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There are a good number of track focused people who own ferrari's/mclarens/porsche's in my area (San Francisco Bay Area). It's getting common to see Mclarens at HPDE days. People are buying them when they see other Mac's at track days after seeing them in action and talking to the owners.
Off the top of my head; I'd say I have about 25 track days in 720s and about 15 track days in 600 LT. Most of the miles driven are track miles. 720s has gone limp once and that was a spark plug issue. It went limp about 3 turns after one of the "laguna pipes" fell off the car. (after market turn away pipe). Not sure if that had anything to do with it but it went limp right after it fell off.
Mac cars are very sensitive to check engine lights. They are almost always FYI and do not impact the operation of the car. The condition that would cause a CEL would also exist in every car but Mac throws the CEL light when the others won't (as an example; "fuel temperature not met" (this was after fuleing up at the Laguna Seca pumps). The engine/oil temps not met when I started to push the car (not a good idea to turn on the car and then start pushing it two minutes later on track). These lights don't impact the car and something you learn as time goes by. For those who aren't sophisticated enough, they might just shut it down for the rest of the track day (OBD reader is your friend).
I get into a lot of discussions with people at the track and they ask me all types of questions (buying related). They don't' ask me much mechanically related type questions because they see me out there all the time and have started to see a good number of Mac's on track. I tell them that it is much more expensive to track a 720s/600 LT ijn OEM set up then it is a GT3RS or GT3. However, if they go aftermarket steel brakes and get the goodyear f1 supercar 3r tires then it is actually more cost effective then tracking a porsche (most of the track focused mac people in my area have gone to this set up).
Ferrari - You don't see much on track. Primary reason is that the Ferrari dealers discourage you from tracking them (they push the ferrari challenge car on you or their customer racing program).
Last friday; a few of us had our own run group with the Audi club at thunderhill (12 c, 2X600 LT, 720s, gt4 cayman, 3x .2gt3rs).
Over the week-end; another group that I track with from Southern California were at Buttonwillow (2 X12c, 720s, 2X Pista, GT3). Attached is a video of my coach driving the Pista with the owner as a passenger chasing a 720s being driven by the owner of the 720s). The 720s has about 20,000 miles and the Pista has about 14,000 miles. Almost all miles are driving to the track, tracking the car and then driving back home. They track at least 3 to 5 times per month. The best time of the 720s was 1:48.3 (driven by my coach), 1:48.5 (driven by the owner of the car) and the best time of the Pista was 1:50 (driven by my coach) and 1:51 driven by the owner. This is under the most common/favorite configuration of 13CW. Anyone who has driven at Buttonwillow knows how fast those lap times are.
His description to the video.
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Best times when I drove: 720s - 1:48.3 w/passenger Pista - 1:50.2 w/passenger NOTE!!! Pista tire pressures were WAY off and could use camber. Reduce the delta to 1 second slower on the same tires. Amazing cars and a great time!!! I hope you enjoyed. Let me know which one you like more and why.
Of course the truly mind-boggling aspect to this video is that the 720S is really just a very accomplished GT car, not track focused anywhere near the extent the Pista is.
Talk about Mclaren’s success. Introduced a year later with a base over $50,000 more than a 720S, the Pista is Ferrari’s catch-up response to the Mclaren. The 720S was mentioned in the video not to be a drift car...the variable drift control was probably set to a low or zero slip angle. It isn’t track focused even though it was thought to be a second faster, it is a very accomplished do everything car.
Talk about Mclaren’s success. Introduced a year later with a base over $50,000 more than a 720S, the Pista is Ferrari’s catch-up response to the Mclaren. The 720S was mentioned in the video not to be a drift car...the variable drift control was probably set to a low or zero slip angle. It isn’t track focused even though it was thought to be a second faster, it is a very accomplished do everything car.
I own both Pista and 720 and am amazed by how far ahead if it’s time a 3 year old 720 is. Love the Pista but have a new found respect for my 720.
I'm so tempted by a 720S, or the 765LT, but the resale on them is pretty bad. I can afford it, but I just have to mentally get over it. I am very excited to see how the 765LT turns out though.
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I'm so tempted by a 720S, or the 765LT, but the resale on them is pretty bad. I can afford it, but I just have to mentally get over it. I am very excited to see how the 765LT turns out though.
Do yourself a favor and test drive a 675LT. Similarly quick but significantly more engaging than a 720S and probably half the price of the 765LT.
750LT, or whatever it's called, will be mega. Rumor is 750 coupes and 750 spyders. Strikes me as a little high, but more power to them if they can move them all in this market at the price they're likely ask.
Do yourself a favor and test drive a 675LT. Similarly quick but significantly more engaging than a 720S and probably half the price of the 765LT.
I agree, and here’s a pic that should provide some extra motivation to go this route—I highly recommend the spider if you have a decent amount of sunny weather where you are
I'm so tempted by a 720S, or the 765LT, but the resale on them is pretty bad. I can afford it, but I just have to mentally get over it. I am very excited to see how the 765LT turns out though.
675 is pretty much at its low, or you can pick up a used 600lt in the low 200s...which for the money is one of the most fun cars I've ever had on the road.
I agree, and here’s a pic that should provide some extra motivation to go this route—I highly recommend the spider if you have a decent amount of sunny weather where you are
Nice car! I just bought this spider from McLaren Atlanta.
The 675LT is a fantastic car. I was t-h-i-s close to picking one up a few months ago, but when I went back to do my final test drive, the door wouldn't open. Nothing the dealer could do to make the damn door open. So I left without the car.
But I bring that up only because anyone looking to get a 675LT should definitely get an extended warranty as part of the final price. I think most of these are not covered by the OEM warranty.
If you pick one up, it's definitely a fantastic car. No doubt.
01-27-2020, 02:01 PM
