TRAKCAR

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Nizer

Fixed it

Nick

15 more hp compared to 1.991GT3????? WTF? Are they trying to placate the 991RS owners?

Why bother with a 2.991GT3?

neanicu

996 GT3 380 HP
996 GT3 RS 400 HP
997.1 GT3 415 HP
997.1 GT3 RS 415 HP
997.2 GT3 435 HP
997.2 GT3 RS 450 HP
997.2 GT3 RS 4.0 L 500 HP
991.1 GT3 475 HP
991.2 GT3 RS 500 HP

See a pattern?

hlvg

I must have missed something - where did you read this?

GrantG

Nick - If the motor follows the specs of the Cup, it gains only 10hp but much more torque (~30 ft-lbs). Somehow, it seems like you would be satisfied with 500hp but not 485hp? You realize that is a difference of 3% and will never be felt. But the additional torque (>9%) certainly will be and another big reason for the 991.2 is a more reliable motor (hopefully - but will only be known much later)...

mass27

What I see is a 4.0 liter engine from 2011 having 500hp. Certainly it can have the same hp 7 years later, right?

GrantG

Yes, it certainly could. But this is not the identical 4.0L motor - this is one very closely related to the 4.0L race motor in the GT3R and new Cup and hopefully has improved along the way (even if it might have a smidge less peak hp than the previous 4.0L, it should be overall a better motor and less expensive than any previous model with a 4.0L).

BTW, your last line should reference 991.1 RS, not 991.2 RS (not yet released)

mass27

Agree with everything you said and also agree that a increase in torque is more important than 15hp shy of 500hp.

Nick

I do. Porsche has always been hesitant to provide substantial increases in hp. But I believe the 2.GT3 will be the last NA GT car. The competition over the years have all gone above 500hp. If the engine is 4L, why reduce its hp?

Grant, I understand that 500hp isn't that much more. But I wonder from a performance standpoint, whether the .2 will distinguish itself from a .1. At 500hp, it would certainly would have.

GrantG

Yes, it will distinguish itself as the fastest GT3 yet and probably as fast or faster than the last RS. 3% more power means nothing compared to having a fatter torque curve and advances in suspension, tires, aero, etc.

TRAKCAR

Right, 991.2 GT3 same HP as RS and R as its the same engine.
The 991.2RS is TT so they can go 500HP for the GT3 no problem and call it 499HP to please R and RS owners.

CAlexio

Torque.

Nick

+1

If the .2 is lighter than the .1 then I can see a case for detuning (and that is what it is) the 4L. From a marketing standpoint, they need to do this because if they want to price the car under $150,000 they cannot provide it with the same hp as the R and RS which cost $50,000 more.

Regarding torque, doesn't the R have more torque and hp and yet is slower than the .1 GT3? I know, I know, the R all about driving experience.

GrantG

Nick - there is no reason to expect the car to lose any significant weight. If you really want the lightest spec, make sure to choose Manual