OT:911R
12-16-2015, 04:45 AM
#677
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So what's the point of having a 991.2 NA manual GT3, if the R is out there? Exclusivity? It's obvious the objective of the R is different than the GT3, but if the GT3 is also manual NA, what's the point? If the 991.2 GT3 is turbo (which I doubt) then there is a very strong case for the R as a pure last hoorah. But wouldn't it be better to have a last hoorah as a GT3? Much to think about, hmmmm
12-16-2015, 05:21 AM
#678
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Originally Posted by Macca
fresh of the press from Aldo in Germany (Rennteam Moderator). His inf is usually spot on:
I have got the following information:
price 195.000 € (incl. VAT) in Germany
GT3 engine not RS engine
Manual
special interior color
PAG must be confident in the MA175/6 mill if they are including it in this limited edition package.
I have got the following information:
price 195.000 € (incl. VAT) in Germany
GT3 engine not RS engine
Manual
special interior color
PAG must be confident in the MA175/6 mill if they are including it in this limited edition package.
12-16-2015, 05:38 AM
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12-16-2015, 05:48 AM
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12-16-2015, 07:57 AM
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12-16-2015, 08:58 AM
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If the do a MT for this 911R, there is no excuse for them to not offer it for next GT3. It's pretty much the consensus that this car is going to come with either the 3.8 from the GT3 or the 4.0 from the RS right?
12-16-2015, 09:57 AM
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If the GT4 engine wasn't held back compared to the Carrera S engine, and maybe combined with tighter gearing, the GT4 could be the clear value winner.
12-16-2015, 10:13 AM
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12-16-2015, 10:18 AM
#688
I also know from level 2 source that Porsche has been on a don't change anything strategy since dieselgate. Still trying to analyze the consequences and put a plan together for the future. As some of you might know there has been a lot of top position change within the company.
This IMO speaks against the 991.gt3 going turbo. If that wasn't the plan to begin with.
12-16-2015, 10:37 AM
#689
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Good info thanks. I'm curious about the 3.8 gt3 engine vs the 4.0 from Rs.. If they price it above Rs, it would seem to be a bit of a letdown to use the smaller engine no?
12-16-2015, 05:59 PM
#690
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If we look at the "ethos" for the 911R (and it must have one even if its just a marketing tag) then we assume on face value its in the vein of the earlier moniker longhood car. A low volume road car with potential competition use, bespoke details, purity, tactility, lightness and a revvy zingy engine.
- MT will save some weight and add some purity.
- RWS delete (if it is to happen) will save some weight, complexity.
- CF hood saves weight
- Removal of rear Wing gives some cosmetic back to road car aspirations
- Plaid inserts harks back to era f original 911R and differentiates the product. It will no doubt sport some interior changes we will see on later GT3 variants, maybe a bespoke door card and updated electronics in line with 1.2 gen Carrera.
- 3.8 GT3 mill gives a zingy 9000 rpm limit (compared to torquier 8600 RS option in PDK Manual).
Just some thought here. I think we are getting very close now to seeing a final un disguised prototype - maybe in the next month.
Essentially the price is within 10% of the RS. As a LE car is it were sporting a 4.0L engine this might make it rather "cheap" at the same price as RS with the extra exclusivity and lower volume bespoke parts (diffuser, MT application etc). With the 4.0L engine in this LE configuration with MT I would have expected it to be a 220K USD car.
My view is the above bullet points. Ive had a think abut the differential and believe it will be mechanical (weight reduction and n need t engineer hydraulic pump solution off of MT tranny).
With the above predictions I would target weight at 1370kg. Thats 60kg less than GT3 in new money. The CF hood + lack of RWS and electronic diff being the revisin ver my earlier 40kg predicted weight saving.
I would also expect the car to have a small improvement in top speed over GT3 due to fractionally less downforce (although the diffuser on paper may yield most of the downforce the GT3 wing does).
Speculation. Yes.