Here is a sport car we GT3 owners need to avoid
06-10-2014, 10:38 PM
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06-10-2014, 10:56 PM
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well, he suggested next Spring. I am assuming next summer.
There are at least 2 dealers who will sell at MSRP. We live in Texas and the second largest Vette dealer is offering MSRP with a $2k deposit. Fully refundable. Only if you live in Texas.
We will take delivery in Kentucky and drive back.
I am assuming an all-in price of $100k or less. I priced building a nice track focused 911...it was more than $100k not including the consumables. The Z06 has a 5 year/ 100k warranty...
There are at least 2 dealers who will sell at MSRP. We live in Texas and the second largest Vette dealer is offering MSRP with a $2k deposit. Fully refundable. Only if you live in Texas.
We will take delivery in Kentucky and drive back.
I am assuming an all-in price of $100k or less. I priced building a nice track focused 911...it was more than $100k not including the consumables. The Z06 has a 5 year/ 100k warranty...
06-11-2014, 12:40 AM
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have to say 991 gt forum is interesting.
argue, hp, tq, read magazine figures, ring time, pdk, 6 sped.....
wow.....
i am simple
i go sit in car, if my stick gets hard, i cut a chk drive it home.
if it still needs viagra, then i go to pharmacy cut them a check then go home.
i have no idea how many hp or what tq my cars have or 0-60, 1/4 miles, or even what size tires.... thats for the rest of the RL to figure out for me ;-)
argue, hp, tq, read magazine figures, ring time, pdk, 6 sped.....
wow.....
i am simple
i go sit in car, if my stick gets hard, i cut a chk drive it home.
if it still needs viagra, then i go to pharmacy cut them a check then go home.
i have no idea how many hp or what tq my cars have or 0-60, 1/4 miles, or even what size tires.... thats for the rest of the RL to figure out for me ;-)
06-11-2014, 12:52 AM
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I am anxiously awaiting for the official weight of this car from GM.
The big press release splashes 650/650 hp and torque numbers but the curb weight is conspicuously missing.
We know from the previous generation Vettes, the Z06 is typically heavier than the it's derivative base model.
So if the C7 is 3298 (or 3300) then I'm guessing GM is doing everything it can right now to make the official curb weight of the Z06 come in just a pound or two shy of 3500, something like 3499.
But whatever its official weight it'll probably be nose heavy (because of the s/c) and with all that power and torque going just to rear wheels, I'm just curious how it drives in the real world on a track.
All of that said, kudos to GM for engineering the pushrod LT4 and squeezing out 650/650 with over 400 lb-ft of torque at idle!
More and better competition just means better products for us consumers. Win-win.
The big press release splashes 650/650 hp and torque numbers but the curb weight is conspicuously missing.
We know from the previous generation Vettes, the Z06 is typically heavier than the it's derivative base model.
So if the C7 is 3298 (or 3300) then I'm guessing GM is doing everything it can right now to make the official curb weight of the Z06 come in just a pound or two shy of 3500, something like 3499.
But whatever its official weight it'll probably be nose heavy (because of the s/c) and with all that power and torque going just to rear wheels, I'm just curious how it drives in the real world on a track.
All of that said, kudos to GM for engineering the pushrod LT4 and squeezing out 650/650 with over 400 lb-ft of torque at idle!
More and better competition just means better products for us consumers. Win-win.
06-11-2014, 01:40 AM
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06-11-2014, 01:53 AM
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its not my info its all from magazines who tested the cars.
911 turbo s 0-60 is 2.6 seconds.
turbo a couple tenths more, and the gt3 is 3.0 seconds flat.
0-60 does not mean anything? uh yeah it does. sorry.
it matters a lot more to me than track times achieved by a professional driver which none of us will ever come close to.
0-60 and 1/4 mile times - everyone will be able to achieve.
so yes these things do matter.
you think the z06 with a manual trans. is going to do 0-60 in under 3 seconds?
the turbo s will destroy the new z06 from a dig all the way up to about 120 mph.
after that, who gives a F&$#?
they raced the 911 turbo s against the f12 berlinetta from a dig and it took until 100 mph for the f12 to catch up. and the 911 wasnt even using launch control.!! the z06 will fair worse because of its lower power and its inferior(well its inferior everything)
theres more to going fast than just having loads of power and being lightweight.
how do you think i destroyed the new mustang gt500(660 hp) in the 1/4 mile over and over again in my m5, which is 6-700 lbs heavier and down 100 hp?
who cares about the track? like i said, hardly anyone will be going there.
911 turbo s 0-60 is 2.6 seconds.
turbo a couple tenths more, and the gt3 is 3.0 seconds flat.
0-60 does not mean anything? uh yeah it does. sorry.
it matters a lot more to me than track times achieved by a professional driver which none of us will ever come close to.
0-60 and 1/4 mile times - everyone will be able to achieve.
so yes these things do matter.
you think the z06 with a manual trans. is going to do 0-60 in under 3 seconds?
the turbo s will destroy the new z06 from a dig all the way up to about 120 mph.
after that, who gives a F&$#?
they raced the 911 turbo s against the f12 berlinetta from a dig and it took until 100 mph for the f12 to catch up. and the 911 wasnt even using launch control.!! the z06 will fair worse because of its lower power and its inferior(well its inferior everything)
theres more to going fast than just having loads of power and being lightweight.
how do you think i destroyed the new mustang gt500(660 hp) in the 1/4 mile over and over again in my m5, which is 6-700 lbs heavier and down 100 hp?
who cares about the track? like i said, hardly anyone will be going there.
Buddy, just 'cuz you don't have the skills or the ***** to learn how to actually drive your car fast doesn't mean everyone else is like you. There are a lot of good, fast drivers on this forum (I mean on a race track, not your stupid back roads). If I have you figured out right, your response will involve some angle where you try to insult me because I own a boxster. Am I right?
Go back to 6speed.
06-11-2014, 09:12 AM
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If you start at 100 flat and realize that's a fully loaded car, start deducting some of the options. Now, the work shown below is for 2014 prices and option numbers on the base Stingray. Things will be a bit different with the 2015 Z06 I'm sure.
- 3LT option (it'll be called 3LZ on the Z06) - $10k
- 6-speed automatic transmission (8-speed on Z06) - $1400
- Dual roof package - $3k
- Competition seats (with microfiber inserts) - $2500
- Microfiber roof/interior - $1k
- Carbon fiber interior trim - $1k
So if we believe GM that it'll come it optioned-up to $100K (or less, and I'm banking on the "less" part), then it seems pretty obvious that $90K for the base is... not going to happen.
The first number will be a 7, as I said. Just imagine that: a 650HP/650ft-lb car MSRP'ing in the 70K range.
06-11-2014, 10:06 AM
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Methinks we have encountered a genuine, benchracing, street racing, track wannabe.
Buddy, just 'cuz you don't have the skills or the ***** to learn how to actually drive your car fast doesn't mean everyone else is like you. There are a lot of good, fast drivers on this forum (I mean on a race track, not your stupid back roads). If I have you figured out right, your response will involve some angle where you try to insult me because I own a boxster. Am I right?
Go back to 6speed.
Buddy, just 'cuz you don't have the skills or the ***** to learn how to actually drive your car fast doesn't mean everyone else is like you. There are a lot of good, fast drivers on this forum (I mean on a race track, not your stupid back roads). If I have you figured out right, your response will involve some angle where you try to insult me because I own a boxster. Am I right?
Go back to 6speed.
im sure this forum does have some good drivers. i dont deny that.
but im suggesting that the overwhelming majority of gt3 owners and z06 drivers will not take their cars to the race track. i bet that the majority of them dont even frequent these forums. this is most certainly true. just think about the total number of say, 911 turbo sales, or gt3 sales in a given area, and compare that number to how many members are on the forums. obviously there are a lot of owners that never even visit the forums. most just drive around and pose.
plus a lot of owners of really expensive cars tend to be older guys, (40's, 50's 60's). do you think a lot of them are out there racing? no.
they're probably just guys who take the cars out once or twice a month.
(look at the low miles that are on just about every exotic/supercar that you see up for sale) i think the gt3 will fall in that category.
06-11-2014, 10:10 AM
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^^i Hope youre right. Perhaps CHevy will take one from Porsche's playbook and charge for everything.
Wipers $500
Floor Mats $150
2nd keys $350
Gas Cap w/ corvette emblem $500
Bowling Green Racing Green $2500
Air Con DELETE $1500
Wipers $500
Floor Mats $150
2nd keys $350
Gas Cap w/ corvette emblem $500
Bowling Green Racing Green $2500
Air Con DELETE $1500
06-11-2014, 10:21 AM
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^ Okay - I missed the base price of $90,000 part. I was figuring that a nicely optioned Z07 will be around a $100,000. I never deducted back because I usually load up my cars pretty good - my bad
06-11-2014, 10:22 AM
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first of all whats with the 6speed references? sorry, i dont get it. im sure this forum does have some good drivers. i dont deny that. but im suggesting that the overwhelming majority of gt3 owners and z06 drivers will not take their cars to the race track. i bet that the majority of them dont even frequent these forums. this is most certainly true. just think about the total number of say, 911 turbo sales, or gt3 sales in a given area, and compare that number to how many members are on the forums. obviously there are a lot of owners that never even visit the forums. most just drive around and pose. plus a lot of owners of really expensive cars tend to be older guys, (40's, 50's 60's). do you think a lot of them are out there racing? no. they're probably just guys who take the cars out once or twice a month. (look at the low miles that are on just about every exotic/supercar that you see up for sale) i think the gt3 will fall in that category.
06-11-2014, 10:22 AM
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This is true of just about any marque, with one noteworthy exception. Generally speaking, the poseurs help keep the marque alive, afloat, and profitable. The hard core guys, who make up a smaller percentage, benefit from that because it usually keeps the cost of the car lower, as well as more readily available for purchase.
A lot of us "older" guys know how to drive on a race track at blistering speeds and continue to do so. We also know how to capitalize our sentences properly. So be careful with your comments regarding age, young'n.
Just about any Porsche will have the same percentage of poseurs versus hard core track guys. I see plenty of 911-variants at the track when I'm there, be they turbos, GT3s, "base" cars, or what have you. That number pales in comparison to the overall number of cars sold.
So?
It doesn't mean Porsche should stop focusing a car for the race track. Neither should GM. Neither should any auto maker that wants to produce a car for their track-rat fans. That car just needs to be attainable and drive-able by non-track-rats so that enough of the cars are actually sold each year.
plus a lot of owners of really expensive cars tend to be older guys, (40's, 50's 60's). do you think a lot of them are out there racing? no.
(look at the low miles that are on just about every exotic/supercar that you see up for sale) i think the gt3 will fall in that category.
So?
It doesn't mean Porsche should stop focusing a car for the race track. Neither should GM. Neither should any auto maker that wants to produce a car for their track-rat fans. That car just needs to be attainable and drive-able by non-track-rats so that enough of the cars are actually sold each year.
06-11-2014, 10:23 AM
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It's great to see the American Engineers keep the Europeans on their toes with the Z06 performance specs., but I just can't warm up to what Chevy did with the rear end of the C7, especial the Z06. I know it's subjective, but IMO, it is hideous, not just ugly, hideous. The 991 GT3 rear is a work of art. I love the front and sides of the Z06, but that rear end needs an overhaul in order for me to ever consider it.
BTW: For those looking to get a Z06 by the fastest means possible, Kerbeck in New Jersey is the largest dealer and they get over 1200 Vettes per year due to their volume. That's where I've bought my past Vettes.
BTW: For those looking to get a Z06 by the fastest means possible, Kerbeck in New Jersey is the largest dealer and they get over 1200 Vettes per year due to their volume. That's where I've bought my past Vettes.