Consolidated 991RS thread
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My take on the RS is that it will fit a broad band of customers as always, however I think the majority will be those who want a limited build as a secondary vehicle to have in the garage.
Something that is really interesting yet able to be used any day of the week or for long distance. Something that can indeed be taken to the track in stock trim a couple of times a year (at the most) with the abilty to lay down good lap times without all the fuss, mods or related items of a track rat car. Stock and Simple.
Most 991RS will remain stock IMHO. Very few will add track wheels and even fewer will touch the suspension.
Something that is really interesting yet able to be used any day of the week or for long distance. Something that can indeed be taken to the track in stock trim a couple of times a year (at the most) with the abilty to lay down good lap times without all the fuss, mods or related items of a track rat car. Stock and Simple.
Most 991RS will remain stock IMHO. Very few will add track wheels and even fewer will touch the suspension.
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Real track cars shouldn't be street legal, IMO. Drive a Formula 4 car, it'll kill the 991RS, and it has 1/3 the power. Open wheel, loud, less than 1/2 cost. I drove one in Europe and came back to the pits shaking.
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With all the talk about a new engine, has there been anything about the PDK? What are the chances of an 8spd PDK in the RS that would eventually sprinkle down to the other models?
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How can you find a 997 rs or a 991 rs fun at legal speed limit?
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Spoke to two different dealers this week on RS production numbers. First said he was told by a very reliable source 600 cars for US. Second said unofficial word was 490 +/- for US, but that PCNA had asked for 600…so somewhere between 500-600 for US???
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Wow, if that's true they might end up in the same situation as the 918!!
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I feel the same way, but keep in mind that risk depends on risk exposure. Chance of wrecking the car on track is roughly proportional to how often you go to the track (and other factors, like the track, club you're going with, run group, your own driving, etc.). For an average driver, the chance of wrecking the car by going to the track a few days a year would be quite low, and IMO people shouldn't be overly deterred from giving it a try just because they saw something scary in a video or read something in a forum.
Financial risk can also be mitigated by getting track insurance. For a car this expensive, the insurance will also be expensive (and there may be a cap on the available coverage), but that cost is also proportional to how often you go to the track.
So I'd encourage everyone to track the car at least once. Beyond the fun, it will also give a better sense of the car's limits, and its behavior as the limits are approached, than can be obtained on the road. That can result in more enjoyment and safety when driving it on the road (I've tracked all of my current cars, including sedan and SUV, for that purpose). Autox is good too, but the lower speeds and limited seat time make it a different experience than going to the track.
All of that said, since I'll likely be tracking the car fairly often, the regular GT3 is already stretching what I was willing to spend on a track car, and the RS is too much. But I wanted a factory Porsche built for the track, ideally with track warranty, which I can drive to the track, and I'm a big 911 fan, so GT3 it is and I'll just have to deal with the cost.
Financial risk can also be mitigated by getting track insurance. For a car this expensive, the insurance will also be expensive (and there may be a cap on the available coverage), but that cost is also proportional to how often you go to the track.
So I'd encourage everyone to track the car at least once. Beyond the fun, it will also give a better sense of the car's limits, and its behavior as the limits are approached, than can be obtained on the road. That can result in more enjoyment and safety when driving it on the road (I've tracked all of my current cars, including sedan and SUV, for that purpose). Autox is good too, but the lower speeds and limited seat time make it a different experience than going to the track.
All of that said, since I'll likely be tracking the car fairly often, the regular GT3 is already stretching what I was willing to spend on a track car, and the RS is too much. But I wanted a factory Porsche built for the track, ideally with track warranty, which I can drive to the track, and I'm a big 911 fan, so GT3 it is and I'll just have to deal with the cost.
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Good points and don't get me wrong, I'm not being critical of anyone who tracks a really expensive car. I'm also not saying that I would never take my GT3 to the track as I've done with other cars in the past, but it will be rare. I do enjoy autocross. It's competitive, relatively risk free, and allows me to explore at least some of the limits of the car and myself.
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Even if you track it just one day or event per year, that will be enough to appreciate a different dimension of the car, and the risks and costs will be relatively low. Plus, there's the added bonus of getting track guys to stop harassing you about not tracking the car! ![Wink](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif)
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If you're doing DE then just go with Lockton via PCA.ORG: http://locktonmotorsports.com/insurance
If it's actual racing you've got to go somewhere else and pay a lot more.
If it's actual racing you've got to go somewhere else and pay a lot more.