Consolidated 991RS thread
#2881
If I get an allocation mine will be orange.
#2882
Nordschleife Master
My family was in Stuttgart to pick up a VW bus in 1973. I remember seeing 911's at the Porsche dealer near by being orange...they were probably RS models...so I may have to pay homage to that childhood experience and order my RS should I be fortunate enough to get one in Orange.
#2883
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Some food for thought: bigger wing can be more aerodynamically efficient. Generally speaking, a small wing would need to be at a larger angle of attack to generate the same downforce as a larger wing. Larger wing can provide the same downforce with less drag. This is faster.
Going back all the way to the 996/997.1 generations, swapping in an RS wing blade on a regular GT3 was a more efficient (faster) way of gaining extra downforce versus using the factory shims on the stock wing.
Going back all the way to the 996/997.1 generations, swapping in an RS wing blade on a regular GT3 was a more efficient (faster) way of gaining extra downforce versus using the factory shims on the stock wing.
#2884
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I cant pay more for a non warranty car than a warranty car.. Old tried and true RS prices too close to new one. TRAKCAR 3.1 is now for sale for $145K and its a great deal for probably the best track ready 997RS 3.8 out there.
I wait. Not sure if my mind is made up, but I think I will try it at least.
I swear I'm driving through new Zealand this month in my flappy paddel POS rental car and I'm left foot braking and paddeling. My wife is threatening me to fly home from the nearest airport LOL.
#2885
Burning Brakes
The fastest way around a race track is not necessarily finding the most down force. It is a balance between down force, tire patch, suspension, etc. The formula is quite complex and would require a lot of the "testing" you are talking about. Unless you are prepared to spend huge money re-engineering what Porsche has optimized then it is really a futile adventure. With a bigger wing stuck into more air you are then stressing the rear suspension big time. That then means different springs, wheels and tires. Now that you have the rear set-up different you need to get into the front suspension set-up, wheels and tires and additional aero. What concerns me the most is not that he will not turn the lap times improvement he is looking for with the bigger wing but that he is introducing a change in balance that is potentially unbalanced and thus unsafe. At the very least he will be stressing the rear suspension more and possibly pushing it past it's designed safety perimeters. For posing on the street, no big deal. But pushing it consistently and hard at the track...I would be VERY careful. Not something I would personally do without a very planned and well thought out engineering exercise.
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If staying with the non-adjustable PASM shocks, changing spring rates could wreak havoc. And if changing both shocks and springs, could be very difficult to match or exceed factory performance on the track while still having a car that's tolerable on the street.
Last edited by Manifold; 12-15-2014 at 12:40 PM.
#2887
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No, I made the GT Silver up.
I cant pay more for a non warranty car than a warranty car.. Old tried and true RS prices too close to new one. TRAKCAR 3.1 is now for sale for $145K and its a great deal for probably the best track ready 997RS 3.8 out there.
I wait. Not sure if my mind is made up, but I think I will try it at least.
I swear I'm driving through new Zealand this month in my flappy paddel POS rental car and I'm left foot braking and paddeling. My wife is threatening me to fly home from the nearest airport LOL.
I cant pay more for a non warranty car than a warranty car.. Old tried and true RS prices too close to new one. TRAKCAR 3.1 is now for sale for $145K and its a great deal for probably the best track ready 997RS 3.8 out there.
I wait. Not sure if my mind is made up, but I think I will try it at least.
I swear I'm driving through new Zealand this month in my flappy paddel POS rental car and I'm left foot braking and paddeling. My wife is threatening me to fly home from the nearest airport LOL.
#2889
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#2890
My fear is I end up with an RS - then there ends up being some final ''send off '' ( ala 4.0 ) edition with a manual . I know all about the quicker to 60 , quicker lap times etc , but if I had a choice - manual it would be .
#2891
...If performance isn't improved because of an imbalance, then as I said in my other post, he can use other aids to bring the balance back similar as stock through the use of canards or different front aero. Doing so can definitely improve the performance through better downforce while giving similar to stock balance. And yes I know there is a lot more to improving a vehicles performance than just improving it's aero, but this is a starting point. He may later find that he needs to change to different spring rates etc. I don't think you necessarily have to spend huge amounts of money to improve upon the factory. Even the GT3 is a "compromise" vehicle, as adept in track work as it may be. Tuner's, aftermarket companies and yes even backyard racers can and do improve on what the factory has given us. Thankfully too, otherwise there'd be a lot of companies going out of business such as Sharkwerks, GMG, EVOMS, 911Design etc. Now that all being said, the GT3 in stock form seems to be about the best car you can get without spending twice as much or more. But I don't ever see anything wrong with trying to improve upon what the factory has given us.
Last edited by GregJGT3; 12-15-2014 at 03:51 PM.
#2893
#2895
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one car many ises
slow plow option?
slow plow option?