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Old 07-11-2021, 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 65ac408
Guys...forget the $3-4k dream, the tool alone is $4k.

Disperse the R&D cost for the bit and wheel nut across a low quantity of potential sales (<1000) and you are at $5-7k.
Well, based on the research here, there probably isn't a business case then.
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Old 07-11-2021, 10:52 PM
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Yet another thread thst clearly illustrates why porsches centerlocks for the street are a total joke and nothing more than poseur bull****
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Old 07-12-2021, 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer
Yet another thread thst clearly illustrates why porsches centerlocks for the street are a total joke and nothing more than poseur bull****
I really don't understand centerlocks for the street. Infinite downside and zero benefits...

I have been balking at the renntork tool for two years. Due to price/value. This thing is not ever gonna be on my radar...
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Old 07-12-2021, 01:03 AM
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And a total joke for the track too. This tool simplifies or rather takes up less space than what one is required by Porsche to bring to the track - the re-troquing. (I have read it but forgot what the specifics are) I pack my car full of tools, cooler, luggage, a guest. Still the little issue of bringing a small jack - or an air bladder to lift the car. Right now - *most of the time* the Porsche guys I see are not retorqueing their wheels from what I have seen. Is the locking ring scratching the wheel at all? It almost looks too easy to achieve the 600nm - I might be a little nervous. But I think this tool is marvelous.
Old 07-12-2021, 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer
Yet another thread thst clearly illustrates why porsches centerlocks for the street are a total joke and nothing more than poseur bull****
What’s sacrilegious? Porsche making a precision weapon for the track and putting center locks on it or the cars and coffee hard parkers and posers buying these rarely/never taking them to the track? This isn’t Porsche’s fault.
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Old 07-12-2021, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by GrantG
Sounds like you may be conflating race car Centerlocks with street car Centerlocks. They are not the same and cannot use the same tools.
Nope. I'm aware of the mantra of "don't use an impact to remove the CLs." Maybe BBi isn't using it to break them loose and only to speed up the removal after using a breaker bar. I wouldn't use an impact personally, but I sure as hell wouldn't use a non-OEM CL nut either.
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Old 07-12-2021, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by abenney
What’s sacrilegious? Porsche making a precision weapon for the track and putting center locks on it or the cars and coffee hard parkers and posers buying these rarely/never taking them to the track? This isn’t Porsche’s fault.
who pissed in the new guy's Wheaties? You do realize they put these on other cars such as Turbos and GTS?

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Old 07-12-2021, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by achenator
who pissed in the new guy's Wheaties? You do realize they put these on other cars such as Turbos and GTS?
I think the issue is that sometimes people get super upset about posing... but the expectations to not "pose" are rather high. For example, the hard core track guys will accuse anyone who is not driving a dedicated track car with full roll cage as "posing" because they can't really drive 10/10ths without willing to risk it (I had a full roll caged spec miata I owned for track with arm restraints and netting - I definitely drove more on edge). Then the track guys will accuse anyone who drives at the track in anything but a HANS device and 6 point as also "posing" because they are just parade lapping. Then those parade lappers will accuse the next group of drivers who do HPD school of not really being about performance because they don't track regularly.... and on and on it goes.

I get grief all the time... why are you putting a roll cage in your touring. Why do want CF on a 50,000 lb car... etc. Truthfully... it's how I want to spend my hard earned money... and if center locks make me feel like I'm a part of porsche motorsport? So be it. In the end, Porsche making money off of idiots like me probably helps pay for the development of future GT cars anyways... so really... let's celebrate the poser-dom that brings you the glorious GT cars they make.
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Old 07-12-2021, 08:36 PM
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I am curious if the locking ring scratched the rims. It looks like it ran right up against them and turned a little until tight with every operation.

I have a car coming from another VW group with center locks and I would pay circa $5k for this tool but just want some more info. I would need to be really confident it works correctly. Failure of a center lock on track (or anywhere) from not being properly tightened is ugly.
Old 07-12-2021, 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by PiB993
Failure of a center lock on track (or anywhere) from not being properly tightened is ugly.

You can easily feel on track when some or all of your wheels are not torqued. Similar to the feel of a bad wheel bearing.
Old 07-13-2021, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by PiB993
I am curious if the locking ring scratched the rims. It looks like it ran right up against them and turned a little until tight with every operation.

I have a car coming from another VW group with center locks and I would pay circa $5k for this tool but just want some more info. I would need to be really confident it works correctly. Failure of a center lock on track (or anywhere) from not being properly tightened is ugly.
It didn't scratch my wheel when they did the video for the company.
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Old 07-13-2021, 10:13 PM
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I don't have the RENNtorq tool but interestingly it seems to be used for both removal and installation. I do have a Williams Torque Multiplier that's awesome for installation:

https://www.suncoasttools.com/crm/It...umber=WILLIAMS

Here's an example:


After reading the posts above, I should think about buying another one to use for removal (assuming that it'll affect the calibration). It's certainly more cost effective than spending $2,200 for the RENNtorq tool. How does the calibration not get jacked up when using it for dual purpose? We certainly don't use our torque wrenches to break standard bolts.

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Old 07-14-2021, 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by texas_maverick
we certainly don't use our torque wrenches to break standard bolts.
Some good torque wrenches like Stahlwille from Germany can be used as breaker bar as well without putting any load on measurement parts.

When used with a Renntorq or other multiplier, you don’t need a separate breaker bar (nor duplicates of any parts).

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Old 07-14-2021, 06:33 AM
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So what is the exact reason you can’t use an impact gun to remove the centerlock? I know Porsche says it’s a no-no, but I sort of figured that was to not damage the exterior of the CL nut, I am not sure why it would matter to the structure of the nut itself (obviously torque down with an impact gun is another story and I would not do that on a VW even with a torque stick). I know my big Dewalt would get them off ….

PS Gratuitous pic of the Gedore dremometer I found new on Amazon for $500 (have not used it yet, as I used the precision instruments one I have last time).





Old 07-14-2021, 02:13 PM
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wait i think everyone is missing the question
This is an absolutely amazing innovation.
But are the Hytorc center lock removable using the traditional way? As in if the machine malfunctions or if I forgot to charge the battery the night before or if the battery dies on 2/4 wheel. Is it still removable without the tool?

If it is, I would be interested.

Thanks
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