More info on fancy electric tool for Centerlocks
#46
I break the nuts with the big long bar pretty easily and I do this solo using a spreader/clamp to manage break pressure once the car is in the air. Before the getting the adapter I couldn't believe normal people would sign up to do the job.
As for feedback on the gadget. Serious cool factor points...makes the geek in me smile. But I'd be with what seems like the majority so far: unless you get the cost of the gun and a set of nuts down to $3500 or so I think it's going to be hard to pull the trigger. $6k is certainly going to make me think that the manual tools work well enough. Oh and for calibration, I'm a track guy. I have AP Racing brakes on my car expressly so I can service my own brakes quickly and easily. I flip pads every time between track days to even out wear for example. In other words I pull wheels off the car regularly and buy my paste in the big tins instead of the little tubes Any assertion that all track peeps are going to go for this automatically even if it's a package over $5k might be a tad optimistic
And by the way, I seriously hope that sets of nuts are going to be available standalone without the gun (think: multiple cars and also wear replacements). I assume that must be in the plan but I don't think I saw that mentioned anywhere yet.
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GrantG (07-09-2021)
#47
I love the innovation. The gun is fairly slow so there doesn't appear to be a speed benefit compared to current solutions. Non-OEM nuts along with a $6k price tag are limiting factors.
Lets see what the pricing is when they actually bring it to market.
Lets see what the pricing is when they actually bring it to market.
Last edited by FLACHT6_pilot; 07-09-2021 at 09:10 PM.
#48
I agree, it could be very useful. However, being averse to risk, which is why I drive Porsche on the race track (and not Corvette), I personally would wait for a couple of years after introduction to see how the amateur racers like them, and verify that there are no problems with the nuts.
#49
So the outer ring is held in place by friction as a counter force at first when you start loosening the nut then you just hold the gun firmly rest of the way. Pretty smart design.
will the standard center lock socket fit over the modified nut for emergency use? Doesn’t look like it will.
also I will assume all factory warranty will be void in the hub /wheel bearing/wheel carrier etc.
will the standard center lock socket fit over the modified nut for emergency use? Doesn’t look like it will.
also I will assume all factory warranty will be void in the hub /wheel bearing/wheel carrier etc.
Last edited by mwar99; 07-09-2021 at 09:16 PM.
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#52
Interesting tool. I watched the whole video today and it definitely piqued my interest.
My personal biggest issue is there aren’t any dealerships close to me, So my servicing, brakes, wheels, tires, etc will all be done at either my Audi/Merc dealer (whom I have a close relationship with), or at one high end euro private shop. I’d assume they all use breaker bars where needed, and hopefully they know the Porsche procedure.
I know people that truck their cars the 2.5 hrs to the closest dealers to service and back.
id say I’d just drive it there myself, but my RS is already out of warranty, so it doesn’t make much sense to when I have closer options.
This tool, while cool, would literally be only worth it at any price if you tracked your car 4+ times a season, and you swapped wheels/brakes/pads on your own.
I also agree with non-OEM part, and color.
Hell, I’m trying to swap my R8 to LMS CenterLocks (prob a stupid idea, but it’s an LMS build I’m doing). And I’ve said no to 2 different aftermarket options there as well.
My personal biggest issue is there aren’t any dealerships close to me, So my servicing, brakes, wheels, tires, etc will all be done at either my Audi/Merc dealer (whom I have a close relationship with), or at one high end euro private shop. I’d assume they all use breaker bars where needed, and hopefully they know the Porsche procedure.
I know people that truck their cars the 2.5 hrs to the closest dealers to service and back.
id say I’d just drive it there myself, but my RS is already out of warranty, so it doesn’t make much sense to when I have closer options.
This tool, while cool, would literally be only worth it at any price if you tracked your car 4+ times a season, and you swapped wheels/brakes/pads on your own.
I also agree with non-OEM part, and color.
Hell, I’m trying to swap my R8 to LMS CenterLocks (prob a stupid idea, but it’s an LMS build I’m doing). And I’ve said no to 2 different aftermarket options there as well.
Last edited by thunderdent; 07-10-2021 at 01:34 AM.
#53
#54
There is definitely a speed advantage, since you just attach the tool to torque - loosen 90 degrees - re-torque without doing anything buy holding the button. Compare that to torquing with torque wrench, loosening 90 degrees with breaker bar, and retorquing with torque wrench again (and if you have only one socket - moving it back and forth between the tools).
The Lion gun is fairly slow (rotation speed under load is only 4.1 revolutions/minute, i.e. 15 seconds per revolution)
https://hytorc.com/lion-gun
I have first hand experience with one in a high torque application and it's pretty slow under load.
Last edited by FLACHT6_pilot; 07-10-2021 at 03:11 AM.
#55
Compared to using something like a Renntorq there is no speed advantage.
The Lion gun is fairly slow (rotation speed under load is only 4.1 revolutions/minute, i.e. 15 seconds per revolution)
https://hytorc.com/lion-gun
I have first hand experience with one in a high torque application and it's pretty slow under load.
The Lion gun is fairly slow (rotation speed under load is only 4.1 revolutions/minute, i.e. 15 seconds per revolution)
https://hytorc.com/lion-gun
I have first hand experience with one in a high torque application and it's pretty slow under load.
#56
I only watched the first 6-8 minutes: so, you can't use the standard Porsche OEM senterlock nuts/bolts while using this device? That would seem like a no-go at any price. Since Porsche had such a problem with these center lock nuts coming off during the initial years, I would hesitate to use another company's center lock nuts. . I would want clearance by the Porsche engineers before using an aftermarket center lock nut.
#57
This 100000 percent is THE issue. Using a non factory nut on the car and expecting either Porsche to play along or ANY insurance company to compensate if there is any issue surrounding these. Porsche AG unfortunately also watch YouTube/Rennlist and I can tell you if a car rolls in with this non-OEM nut on it and there is ANY axle, transmission, or ANY damage back there they will not cover it and likely brand the Vin. It sucks but I can tell you with Porsches center lock past they won’t wait on the sidelines to do this and like;y are watching very very closely.
#58
most people are not going to try to chase this legally. Porsche's legal would bury average joe and their lawyer with paperwork.
#59
I'm not a CL owner, but for those considering it, I'd recommend trying to divide the cost among friends. It's unlikely that everyone needs the tool on the same day. If you have 2-3 friends within an hour drive of you that all have CL wheels, then I think spending $1-2k per person is more manageable.
People do this with Durametric/other scan tools.
People do this with Durametric/other scan tools.
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michaeldorian (07-12-2021)
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