RapidGT

That is why when you bid at auctions you have firm cutoffs and have some level of restraint to stop things like this happening. Though this is nothing compared to the stuff I’ve witnessed. Seen people spend several times the estimates before. These are at the big auctions such as RM Sotheby’s and Gooding and Company where some of the bidders there are dripping with wealth. If they want something bad enough then they get it even if overspending by hundreds of thousands of dollars and don’t lose sleep over it.

welikethetrack

your not going to make more money buying a 991.2 gt3rs instead of investing. That’s insane to even suggest

I bought my MB 991.2 gt3rs I customer ordered stripper style (as I love to do) for 24k over sticker (197.xx) and I paid 25k over and got the front ppf for free. Sold for 221k and thought people were delusional to pay that 2 years ago tbh, so I “broke even”

oh except…
minus 20-25k in tax/reg
minus 8k in insurance over 3 years
minus 5k in maint
minus 2k in tires
not to mention opportunity costs

NOT an investment

that’s being said MB is an absolutely epic color and I got so many compliments on 3 years driving it around about 7300 miles.

@fijibubba as someone who ordered a MB and thought it would be a “forever car” (typical RL haha) I suggest you wait 12 months, save a little more, and order a brand new gt3rs you spec from new. To want a forever car and have it be someone else’s build is just meh imo. If your patient next 12 months for barely more you’ll be able to get a brand new gt3rs for probably 25 over fairly easily imo. Get a shark blue and all the options you want, I got a shark now and I don’t know which is better….equally epic imo, most normal people like shark more, I probably lean MB

The camps that are acting like the 991/992 are so different are loco….if u love one, im sure you’ll love the other 99% of the time

I like the 991.2 looks way more than the new one but speccing new is just completely different and a lot more special imo. If you truly want to keep a car forever, get it new is what I would tell any of my friends (and do)

Manifold

Have you driven a 992 3RS? I have a 991.2 3RS and a 992 GT3, and I think the 991.2 3RS is more fun. 992 3RS would need to be quite different in character from the 992 GT3 in order for me to prefer 992 3RS over 991.2 3RS.

ronmastas

I'm going to translate and synthesize what you've said into something I'm trying to objectively ask myself. (Outsider trying to get a P-Car)

Why didn't Porsche do double wishbone front end sooner?

Is it true that the engine/tranny has been translated closer to rear mid-ship through the generations?

ronmastas

Also, I'm looking for fun, not an F1 car.

welikethetrack

I have not! But I would assume it drives close to how I would expect tbh, they don’t change that much really

The new ones stats are almost identical really I’m sure it just feels a bit more planted than the last and a bit more capable.

RS in general is more fun (outside manual argument) than “normal” gt3’s so your observation isn’t surprising at all. I would assume i personally would find 991.2 rs and 992 rs the same enjoyment. Really wouldn’t expect to be more or less crazy about one over the other given how similar they are on paper. I do think the 991.2 looks will age better but who knows

rk-d

Agree that GTx cars are not investment grade. Some people lucked into a fortuitous flip during COVID, but that's more of a fluke.

Forever cars are rarely forever. My 993 is forever simply because of all the money I sunk into it and the fact that no modern car can really replace it. The car was "slow" when I bought it, so the fact that newer ones are faster is immaterial. Seems to me if you want forever, then you aren't after absolute performance, but feel, character and looks. The Touring feels like forever, but I'm not ready to claim that yet.

Re: bought spec vs personal spec - Meh. I replaced my painstakingly spec'ed PTS 992 TTS with a CPO GT3T and I couldn't be happier with the spec or the car. Really, there aren't a ton of options anyway unless you wanted to go full PTS/CXX. For most people the main variables are PCCB/LWBs and color.

Manifold

I wouldn’t make that assumption. You need to drive them. 992 generally feels more voluminous and digital inside, front end feels different, sound is more refined, overall a less raw car, at least in GT3 form.

ParadiseGT3

Yes, totally off the wall and insane to suggest that buying certain cars at certain times could be a sound investment. Unprecedented. Never happened before with a Porsche or any other makes.

My comment reflected what I perceive as the likely buyer perspective on a low mileage, mint 991.2 RS for 300k+. I doubt they are to use, so the running costs & fees are n/a.

If you don't think that 300k MB RS could become at least a 400k RS by 2030, i.e., the risk free rate of return or more, then as usual, we disagree on the current & future values of 991.2 GT cars.

Would it be my chosen investment? No, I wasn't bidding and I drive mine. But as a driver of these cars, it's easy to acknowledge a growing collector/investment perspective.

krell

Not unprecedented. Unusual, rare even, but certainly not unprecedented.

1962 Ferrari 330 LM sells for almost $52M at auction (motorauthority.com)

ParadiseGT3

Seems like an ok return, but what if you factor in running and opportunity costs?

krell

It's a 1962 Ferrari - - I'm pretty sure it wasn't daily driven, if very much at all, so running costs are almost zero. As for opportunity cost , I surmise the seller probably did very well.

ParadiseGT3

Tongue in cheek, my man. 52M should cover it.

okkin

Used 2019 Porsche 911 GT3 RS Weissach Coupe Miami Blue! Front Lift! PCCBs! Tons of Carbon! For Sale ($269,800) | Chicago Motor Cars Stock #20587

Rod27

they’ve sold that car twice in 2 years